Belle123 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2281 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's nice to see the new M slimmed down. Wish it were simplified more, like the M-D. If I were in the market, would be enticed. But since I only shoot b/w with my M, doubt it will do better at the moment than my M246. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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david strachan Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2282 Posted January 19, 2017 It looks a pretty beaut camera to me with some worthy upgrades, judging from Jono's assessment. And looking through the user manual, etc. I might swap my M-P in the future...but not at the moment. cheers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2283 Posted January 19, 2017 It looks a pretty beaut camera to me with some worthy upgrades, judging from Jono's assessment. And looking through the user manual, etc. I might swap my M-P in the future...but not at the moment. cheers... My feeling exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2284 Posted January 19, 2017 It looks a pretty beaut camera to me with some worthy upgrades, judging from Jono's assessment. And looking through the user manual, etc. I might swap my M-P in the future...but not at the moment. cheers... My feeling exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2285 Posted January 19, 2017 OK guys, I and many others take exception to the printed use of the 'f' word in the open forum. Face to face, when you are aware of who your audience is, it may OK, but on the open forum you do not know who you can be offending. So stop it, now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2286 Posted January 19, 2017 "Feeling", what's wrong with saying "feeling"? I'm only just able to access the forum and read al about it. "Server unavailable" this morning. I guess folks must have gotten overexcited in the northern half and overloaded it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2287 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jono... is there a typo in your article... or have you been testing something else e shouldn't know about ??? "Echo & Chloe – Leica M10 with 75mm Summilux M Asph. – 1/125th – ISO 4,000" HI there - sorry, just a typo I'm afraid, that summilux ain't no Asph! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2288 Posted January 19, 2017 I think it's a lovely looking camera, and I would buy it, but that means selling one of the cameras I have already, I and I couldn't do that ... Well done Leica. You've preserved the essence of the M camera and kept it up to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2289 Posted January 19, 2017 Interesting read here http://blog.leica-camera.com/2017/01/18/looking-back-move-forward/ regarding the design decisions for the M10. A couple of quotes relevant to the discussions here: "Recording videos with an M is a very exciting application, because just like M photography, it yields results that cannot be achieved with any other system. For this reason we also continue to offer the M10’s sister models, the Leica M and M-P ( Typ 240)" "However, the WLAN interface cannot as yet eliminate the need for tethered-shooting solutions in the studio. For this purpose, the M/M-P ( Typ 240) with their multi-function handgrip continue to be available." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2290 Posted January 19, 2017 Ok. Now, when M10 finally introduced and we can see the technical specifications as well as preliminary reviews from Reid and Jono, we can predict the future of Rangefinder cameras system from Leica. I like the shape and ergonomics of M10 and i do appreciate the increased low light capabilities as well as better OVF. Its probably very good camera and will be best solution for M lenses. But with deepest sad i see that its the Dead End of M system in nearest future. Leica did not introduced nothing revolutionary in new M and I don't think that rangefinder technology has the capacity for revolutions at all. You can probably do some minor user friendly cosmetic changes to support current users of M lenses and owners of M lenses from film era, but you can't make anything new since M9. Looks like all engineering capacity Leica concentrated on SL System and probably Q based interchangeable lens system to come. M system is becoming niche and very limited product for aficionados and owners of M lenses. Leica simply can't drop M system - we still need something to put on our M lens. That way, not opposite. The core value of Leica is lenses not the cameras, especially in digital era. M10 is crossroad for me - I don't think that i will invest more money in next Leica M lens with the same willingness as i had when M9 was introduced.I have enough lenses to use. The question is - once M is dead end in terms of further development, what system can substitute it - SL or QL or MQ, whatever you may call it. M10 most probably the last M camera Leica developed to support current owners of M manual focus lenses. We will see M10 version 2, 3 etc. but its the end anyway. M system is unbeatable experience for art photography and I enjoy rangefinder focusing more than any other system camera. But M10 states clearly the dusk of the rangefinder technology. Thats my personal conclusion, quite pity, but evident for me. Ed You could have argued the M3 was a dead end. The M10 looks very similar. The basic shape and ergonomics have not changed in 60 years! You could also argue the M3 was already a mature product, or very nearly. A built-in exposure meter was perhaps the biggest improvement, until the digital era. Now you have a digital sensor and the ability to conjure up pictures in virtually all light conditions. That's amazing. Agree, the M10 is not revolutionary; it's evolutionary. But why do we need constant change anyway? To me, the M10 looks like the perfect minimalist expression of the classic rangefinder experience. No, it isn't for everyone, but it doesn't have to be. So long as there remain enough committed buyers, it will remain a sustainable camera in the Leica line-up. There are plenty of other models for photographers who want other features as well, such as video and USB (though multiple connection slots are hardly a formula for longevity, and I'd prefer a zoom for video). There may already be too many cameras in the Leica alphabet soup -- although far fewer than the big manufacturers. My initial reaction was "brilliant!" I love features such as slimmer size, bigger finder, improved dynamic range and high ISO performance, and simplified controls. I could have written the specs myself! In fact, I did, on this forum. I'll bet Leica listened, and acted on, the wish-list of many photographers on this forum. As much as I like the M9, the M10 looks like a significant step forward. Congratulations Leica! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2291 Posted January 19, 2017 When the M9 was introduced, Leica said, it's the perfect digital M. When they introduced the M240 they said. "We cannot imagine how we could make it better". Now we have the M10. A few years ago they even introduced a "new" film M (which wasn't new, but just a reproduced M2/M4). When something like this is said it usually is within the context of the technological reach they have at that particular time. The camera represents the best design, hardware, manufacturing, etc. Now that some years have passed technology has moved on and the bar can be raised. That said, diminishing returns are always a factor. I love my car analogies, especially when comparing German cars to German cameras. And even the mighty Porsche 911 is now a mid-engined car in racing form. They engineered the daylights out of the rear engine setup for over 50 years, but eventually they hit a wall. But that doesn't mean the 911 is going anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2292 Posted January 19, 2017 Apologies, if I'm a dunce, but this thread somewhat exploded and I'd like to read Jono's review but couldnt find a link. Can someone point me to it? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2293 Posted January 19, 2017 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/ Third down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2294 Posted January 19, 2017 I just got off an airplane. Jonoslack, you pokerfaced sneaky Pete you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2295 Posted January 19, 2017 Biggest thing is usable ISO 6400. Add the M6 footprint, big OVF, extra mag, EVF and tools it's going to do very well. One single feature I would really miss: silent shutter mode. Would this have required extra hardware over the sensor? Please spare me the "you don't need that". Anyone who has ever shot sensitive events has craved a silent shutter, or is just oblivious to the ire which the click causes with many normal people in those situations. The A7r2 has one, why on earth not the M10? Maybe there is good reason, but I would like to hear it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezFoto Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2296 Posted January 19, 2017 So I guess my assertion that they could make a digital M around the same thickness as the old M6 wasn't so far off, despite all the arguments I got from Jaapv. Anyway, very glad to see three features that were on my wish list. 1. longer than 32 second exposures (now 125 sec) 2. thinner body 3. larger viewfinder/stronger magnification Those are all great things but still not really enough to make me want to upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2297 Posted January 19, 2017 [...] One single feature I would really miss: silent shutter mode. [..] The A7r2 has one, why on earth not the M10? One could also ask why the M10 needs one second blackout time after each shot in EVF mode. Much cheaper cameras do better. The response is: It is a rangefinder camera dude! If you want speed, silence or all those stupid things, take a Sony! Just kidding but not that untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2298 Posted January 19, 2017 lct does this mean that I should upgrade my from my RD1 I never got on with my m8 and it only sorta works my RD1 just keeps on keeping on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insideline Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2299 Posted January 19, 2017 Having worked as a senior product developer in a very high end sporting goods field for over 35 years, at the time of launching a new product to market we were deep in the the development of a product cycle, not one, but two iterations down the product cycle. So I would imagine Leica is well into the development of not only the next M product, but could well be in the early stages of some "very" new products destined for release in 3-5 years. The fact that Jono has had a preproduction M10 for 6 months is proof that the engineers and developers handed off the core of the M10's finished features to sourcing and manufacturing long ago. Leica, as with any leading company, not only listens to customer feedback, but its also their job to innovate and lead the market, so time will tell what their visions are. I believe this new M10 is a sound and memorable part in the life of M bodies, but more will come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2017 Share #2300 Posted January 19, 2017 lct does this mean that I should upgrade my from my RD1 I never got on with my m8 and it only sorta works my RD1 just keeps on keeping on If you need a 1:1 viewfinder, 0.73x won't do it any better than 0.68x. You just need another R-D1 if yours is dead or an M3 if you shoot film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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