lct Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1721 Posted January 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm betting on slightly slimmer body, aluminium top-plate, weight reduction, same battery EV improved and to fit in the accessory-hot shoe...an extra add-on cost same rangefinder viewfinder...no hybrid viewfinder ISO dial new sensor, one stop extra with new processor video will be a bit better, and will be available same front button for magnified focusing same price as existing M typ 240, same long time to fill orders These are the "surprises", and the new M10. Nothing else. Put a 0.72x OVF, remove video, add 10% and the body is ready to ship this month. Just a guess... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1722 Posted January 15, 2017 LV button is only for framing. There is no video in M10. My assumption ...Slightly sorrowfully I tend to agree. Video won't be a deal breaker, but if the M10 has the same sensor size in MP terms as the M240, it might temp me to go for an M10 for daily use and when an EVF makes sense, with the M240 as the second body for use with core lenses when shooting with two bodies, back up, and occasional talking heads video for clients as needed. Fewer sales for Leica! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olgierdc Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1723 Posted January 15, 2017 The Leica M 240 camera was introduced at the Photokina on 17 September 2012. Near five years later we gain only one stop ISO at the same sensor resolution? It will be big slowdown. I hope that new sensor has something more. If resolution will be the same, ISO will be only one step better so DR should be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1724 Posted January 15, 2017 If the M10 turns out as described by L-rumors and it is 7K or more I think sales will be slow after the initial purchase flurry. It will be painful. I think the Maginot line here is 6K. I sincerely doubt this will happen but I genuinely feel that if they price it at 6K or less it will sell much better. I will be purchasing regardless and many others will as well. However, there are so many excellent options out there today that pricing the M10 correctly is crucial. Everyone always says "Leica doesn't care about what anyone thinks when pricing..." They definitely do hence the Q, M262, and other models. *this comment is based on the current speculations as the camera could turn out to be completely more advanced than what we are expecting* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1725 Posted January 16, 2017 Everyone always says "Leica doesn't care about what anyone thinks when pricing..." They definitely do hence the Q, M262, and other models. As smartphones become the preferred option of the majority of the public all manufacturers will chase the high end amateur market with some pretty sophisticated cameras I doubt if price will be a issue Commercial demands will dictate the professional market and hum along as usual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1726 Posted January 16, 2017 While I don't believe it, it does make some sense. Firstly, it recalls the hinged loading plate on film M's. Secondly, owners would be able to customize their camera. Those who want an LCD keep it on. Those who don't, who want the thinnest lightest most film-like M, remove it. It could have tongues at top and bottom. The top tongue slides into a slot where the top plate joins the body. This is where the electronic contacts would be. The bottom tongue extends into the baseplate and is held in place by it. The LCD is removed by removing the baseplate. Just my two cents worth . . . it kills the idea of weather proof camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1727 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) You argued my point. All manufacturers will chase the high end amateur market, which means lots of choices...X1D, GFX, and may full frame options all within a similar price point. This means that Leica is no longer a niche product...thus challenging Leica even more to attract new buyers or people to upgrade from the already excellent M240 (which may be more advanced?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1728 Posted January 16, 2017 I'm betting on slightly slimmer body, aluminium top-plate, weight reduction, same battery EV improved and to fit in the accessory-hot shoe...an extra add-on cost same rangefinder viewfinder...no hybrid viewfinder ISO dial new sensor, one stop extra with new processor video will be a bit better, and will be available same front button for magnified focusing same price as existing M typ 240, same long time to fill orders These are the "surprises", and the new M10. Nothing else. And they have been working on that for five years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1729 Posted January 16, 2017 And they have been working on that for five years? No, they've been selling M(240) cameras and variants for five years ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1730 Posted January 16, 2017 If all predictions are right and all improvements Leica made are ISO DIAL and new sensor from Q or SL, then given the time they needed for these improvements, my conclusion is that M is not flagship product for Leica anymore. If so, I would stick with my m9 and M240. I don't need SL - its bulky and heavy tool for professionals. But i don't believe that its so simple - Leica could have something to surprise us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1731 Posted January 16, 2017 No, they've been selling M(240) cameras and variants for five years ... Thats my point as well - they have been concentrating on millions of editions of 240 and red lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1732 Posted January 16, 2017 No, they've been selling M(240) cameras and variants for five years ... The R&D guys don't work in the sales department... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1733 Posted January 16, 2017 I'm betting on slightly slimmer body, aluminium top-plate, weight reduction, same battery EV improved and to fit in the accessory-hot shoe...an extra add-on cost same rangefinder viewfinder...no hybrid viewfinder ISO dial new sensor, one stop extra with new processor video will be a bit better, and will be available same front button for magnified focusing same price as existing M typ 240, same long time to fill orders These are the "surprises", and the new M10. Nothing else. I think the above makes sense to me as well - personally and this may be anathema to a lot of M users but I found the video mode quite useful - I've found quite a few times that I would like to shoot bursts of video while shooting with my M240 and to be able to do that easily and quickly, as long as you have a big enough card, using the M, was very handy as it avoided the need to carry two pieces of kit or even produce an iPhone). Something else which quite a few users might not be aware of is that you could run the video and also shoot still frames at the same time - this was great if you wanted an informal record of the shoot and (again given you've got a big enough card) you could play back the video to get a sense of the atmosphere of the event and even a commentary on what was happening on the day. I've done this a couple of times, most recently when shooting amongst the supporters after world cup matches in France (the first time by accident) and it makes for quite an interesting record of what was going on. The other thing I'd really like, would be to be able to specify a higher magnification viewfinder (e.g. 0,85) at the outset, as I always found the M240 rangefinder patch slightly too small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1734 Posted January 16, 2017 The R&D guys don't work in the sales department...The business doesn't revolve around R&D. If the M(240) represents their ideal product (or close to it), why issue a marginal upgrade when the product is good as is. Sounds like Leica will rectify a few niggles, make it thinner (frankly, pointless) and issue a mild iteration when they're ready. R&D doesn't come into it. That is going on the new L mount cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1735 Posted January 16, 2017 Heres another speculative-fantasy idea; What if the M10 is the logical successor to the M9 from an image look & feel perspective (as well as all the other givens based on the leaked images)? What if it contains a 36Mpix CCD sensor? (albeit a limiting factor for LV or Video... trade off that I'd gladly make for better stills ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1736 Posted January 16, 2017 ... Now that we are in the digital world this means the finest sensor available among its peers. The M9 achieved that in its day, the M240 was close to the top back in 2012, but as of today the Q sensor does not cut it. Oh, I think you'll get the finest 24MP sensor for M lenses; and it will be good for the next 5 years (as will the M(240) sensor, to be honest). I just don't think the M camera will have anything but a continuation of what we saw with the M3 - aperture on the lens barrel, manual focus, shutter dial on the right (at the top), fixed patch optical viewfinder, and now the ISO dial on the top left (apparently). It's an M, and it isn't going to do much more than that, but it will do it well. My M60, MM1, M-A & M3 will do likewise ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1737 Posted January 16, 2017 I really doubt a larger magnification viewfinder. The existing rangefinder is quite wide for 35mm lenses, and in fact I have a bit of trouble using the framing because I wear glasses, and can't see the edges easily...even when I squash my glasses into the eye-cup. So I think the existing rangefinder will stay the same...it is best compromise for several focal lengths...50mm is ideal giving out-of-edge viewing for the moment, and choosing composition. all best.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1738 Posted January 16, 2017 One of the reasons sensors have gone from CCD to CMOS is much improved ISO, and fast video capabilities, with quicker refresh...that's three reasons. There is no going back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1739 Posted January 16, 2017 You argued my point. All manufacturers will chase the high end amateur market, which means lots of choices...X1D, GFX, and may full frame options all within a similar price point. This means that Leica is no longer a niche product...thus challenging Leica even more to attract new buyers or people to upgrade from the already excellent M240 (which may be more advanced?) I don't think the M really matters Leica have moved on with the SL etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1740 Posted January 16, 2017 Funny how everyone thinks they know Leica's business better than they do and what's good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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