imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1541 Posted January 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) And the EVF you don't have to buy Dhaaa I thought is was compulsory !!!! Neither Live View nor the EVF make the camera bigger It's about making a simpler more streamlined camera without being something to please everyone and end up pleasing no one. Small is possible http://www.etrouko.com/vfd.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rramesh Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1542 Posted January 13, 2017 Any additions like a external evf are design flaw, credit card fiend or a company just taking the easy way out The more electronics you put in an M, the faster the obsolescence of the camera. Best would be for electronics like EVF to be kept optional and outside the M body. Even then options would be limited by the 'future proof' design of the hot shoe. I would be very happy with an M with a great sensor and rangefinder, good low light performance and ability capture RAW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1543 Posted January 13, 2017 And the EVF you don't have to buy Dhaaa I thought is was compulsory !!!! It's about making a simpler more streamlined camera without being something to please everyone and end up pleasing no one. Small is possible http://www.etrouko.com/vfd.jpg Now this is a really huge camera, given that its sensor is only half the width of the sensor of the M. If small is possible, why is the Fuji more than half the width of the M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1544 Posted January 13, 2017 Pre fuji these cameras were a lot bigger ........ Sony manages with smaller cameras The thing is it is possible remember so many stated that a digital rangefinder was impossible so making it smaller is not impossible but for now it is just easier to sell attachments and update cameras in small increments of change ............then we have that famous smokescreen called special editions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1545 Posted January 13, 2017 Pre fuji these cameras were a lot bigger ........ Sony manages with smaller cameras The thing is it is possible remember so many stated that a digital rangefinder was impossible so making it smaller is not impossible but for now it is just easier to sell attachments and update cameras in small increments of change ............then we have that famous smokescreen called special editions The Fuji is scarcely smaller even though its sensor is much smaller. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1546 Posted January 13, 2017 We don't all want small cameras. For example the Sony A's are too small for me to use comfortably. I prefer some heft, and grip-ability for a serious camera. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1547 Posted January 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Fuji is scarcely smaller even though its sensor is much smaller. What's your point? The fuji is a lot smaller to handle and does not need external attachments etc .............The thing is it is possible to make a slimmer camera as with the old film Leicas it is just easier to sell attachments and update cameras in small increments of change http://www.etrouko.com/vfd.jpg Dave A slimmer camera is what should be offered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1548 Posted January 13, 2017 The LEICA M, PEOPLE AND PORSCHE got fat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1549 Posted January 13, 2017 They do it just to annoy you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1550 Posted January 13, 2017 I don't mind slim...just wish I could get there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1551 Posted January 13, 2017 Yea especially on public transport........ the one and a half seat mob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1552 Posted January 13, 2017 As said, I prefer a larger camera. I went to Fuji XE-1 because of its form...rangefinder form. And something to hold on to. I wouldn't mind a slimmer M, but I've got used to the digital M's fat form, and weight. The Fuji is a wonderful camera and I'm sure Leica has been watching their evolution. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1553 Posted January 13, 2017 Neither Live View nor the EVF make the camera bigger. I don't know but I would assume that there are at least some extra electronics required to support this stuff. More electronics suggests the need of a bigger battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1554 Posted January 13, 2017 EVF on a rangefinder is a crutch anyway.I prefer the term "accessory"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1555 Posted January 13, 2017 As it is in real life. If one can walk without crutches all the better, but why deny them to a handicapped person? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1556 Posted January 13, 2017 But can you find one? The problem is that by adding the EVF as a permanent fixture to the top of an M, maybe have a grip as well, and at least from base to finder, its now close to a good size FF DSLR. But nothing else you're going to carry with it is at that scale. DSLR bags are designed for DSLR sized lenses. Mirrorless bags are designed to fit mirrorless sized bodies. So either the camera fit is tight or the glass tends to flop around. If you're looking a simple over the shoulder solution, there aren't a lot of choices. There are some bags which are a little flexible in the depths. For example I use and like the think tank retrosperctive line. The same "request" has been there with the optical 21mm viewfinder I have used for 21mm lenses on film M bodies for the last 30 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1557 Posted January 13, 2017 The fuji is a lot smaller to handle ... Maybe I miss something : are the herunder data wrong ? XPro2 : 140,5 x 82,8 x 45,9 M262 : 138,6 x 80 x 42 Considering that XPro2 is an APS C , seems to me isn't smaller (even if its hybrid VF clearly justifies the dimensions) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1558 Posted January 13, 2017 As it is in real life. If one can walk without crutches all the better, but why deny them to a handicapped person?Handicapped composing an 18mm lens through the x0.72 OVF...Can someone please pass the crutches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1559 Posted January 13, 2017 As it is in real life. If one can walk without crutches all the better, but why deny them to a handicapped person? I commend your charitable spirit, Jaap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1560 Posted January 13, 2017 [...] Sony manages with smaller cameras [...] Sure but all the A7 bodies have the bump you dislike haven't they. My Fuji X-E2 has not that bump but its EVF is smaller and it is an APS-C camera. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3185251'>More sharing options...
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