ajayk Posted August 22, 2018 Share #2321 Posted August 22, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don’t own either a SL or X1D. But tried both of them on rent recently. SL’s EVF is just superb, nothing matches it, magnification is even higher than most pro DSLRs including those with optical viewfinders such as Canon 1DX II and Nikon D5. But that’s it. SL badly needs an upgrade. A camera at this price level has to have much more. X1D has lots if software bugs and is too slow for my liking. I liked the menus though. Its easy to use and if it was not buggy would have been a good choice. Will wait out for X2D. What I picked up is a Fuji GFX. Its what i would have wanted in a MF. With 2 lenses it costed me $10000, cheaper than what X1D will cost with similar lenses. I have never tried a Leica S and would probably never will as its way beyond my budget. Cant spend $50000 on a body and lenses as I will never be able to make that kind of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted August 22, 2018 Share #2322 Posted August 22, 2018 I don’t own either a SL or X1D. But tried both of them on rent recently. SL’s EVF is just superb, nothing matches it, magnification is even higher than most pro DSLRs including those with optical viewfinders such as Canon 1DX II and Nikon D5. But that’s it. SL badly needs an upgrade. A camera at this price level has to have much more. X1D has lots if software bugs and is too slow for my liking. I liked the menus though. Its easy to use and if it was not buggy would have been a good choice. Will wait out for X2D. What I picked up is a Fuji GFX. Its what i would have wanted in a MF. With 2 lenses it costed me $10000, cheaper than what X1D will cost with similar lenses. I have never tried a Leica S and would probably never will as its way beyond my budget. Cant spend $50000 on a body and lenses as I will never be able to make that kind of money. What’s lacking in the SL for you... beyond the obvious MP? FWIW, a used S006 (CCD sensor) can be found for about $6k, and used S lenses are also available (but should have new AF motors). Not the most up to date system, but many here love theirs. And that big OVF is gorgeous. If and when the S008 (S3?) arrives, the S007 prices might subside, with increased availability of used samples. The S lenses, though, are the key for many. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bab Posted August 25, 2018 Share #2323 Posted August 25, 2018 Jeff the SL is seriously a slow camera, its 50mm is the size of a small refrigerator. Either the SL will be improved body wise or Leica "WILL" release a new Auto Focus Camera in the next 30 days. Why? Because they must! They don't have a choice. The DEVIL will make them do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted August 26, 2018 Share #2324 Posted August 26, 2018 One of the main reasons I switched from the SL to the X1D was the weight! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2018 Share #2325 Posted August 26, 2018 I went on a diet instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted August 26, 2018 Share #2326 Posted August 26, 2018 As a SL and M10 user, I've never thought my SL + native lenses to be heavy. Rather I've always thought my M to be heavy, especially always fearful of it slipping off my fingers as it is not ergonomically friendly. More so when I mount on my Noctilux. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted August 26, 2018 Share #2327 Posted August 26, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) As a SL and M10 user, I've never thought my SL + native lenses to be heavy. Rather I've always thought my M to be heavy, especially always fearful of it slipping off my fingers as it is not ergonomically friendly. More so when I mount on my Noctilux. Get a Thumbs up or the Leica knock-up. Plus maybe a grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted August 26, 2018 Share #2328 Posted August 26, 2018 Jeff the SL is seriously a slow camera, its 50mm is the size of a small refrigerator. Either the SL will be improved body wise or Leica "WILL" release a new Auto Focus Camera in the next 30 days. Why? Because they must! They don't have a choice. The DEVIL will make them do it. How is the SL slow? CAF is the only thing I can think of. Powering up, play back, zooming in, scrolling images, menu operations are all noticeably faster than the current Sony’s. The SL 50 and 90 aren’t noticeably slower than the Sony 50 and 85mm 1.4’s. The zooms are quick in SAF. And faster than the Sony’s, stopped down. Slow is not how I would describe the SL. Gordon 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajayk Posted August 27, 2018 Share #2329 Posted August 27, 2018 I somehow like heavy bodies. I used to be a Canon shooter and worked on all 1d bodies and 1dx bodies, then a Nikon D5 and now moved to SL. I cant somehow like small dinky cameras like Sony unless they are heavy as M bodies. My only dinky body is a Q which I like very much as its still a solid piece of metal. But everyone seems to be shifting to Sony so I am also trying my hand on a A7III. Sony GM lenses are heavy and as big as L lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 27, 2018 Share #2330 Posted August 27, 2018 I want x1d body and sensor with SL speed, thats all I need. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted August 27, 2018 Share #2331 Posted August 27, 2018 I want x1d body and sensor with SL speed, thats all I need. Or SL body with X1D sensor :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajayk Posted August 28, 2018 Share #2332 Posted August 28, 2018 X1D sensor will make SL very slow. I think X1D speed is 0.8 FPS. That would be frustrating ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted August 30, 2018 Share #2333 Posted August 30, 2018 X1D sensor will make SL very slow. I think X1D speed is 0.8 FPS. That would be frustrating ...If you would see the result I can assure you that you would not be frustrated John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted August 30, 2018 Share #2334 Posted August 30, 2018 If you would see the result I can assure you that you would not be frustrated John The result doesn’t take away the frustration while getting there. My Sony RX1 produces great results but it’s a frustrating camera to shoot. The X1D with operational speed improvements, a joystick for focus point changes, and some other small tweaks would be more appealing to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted September 1, 2018 Share #2335 Posted September 1, 2018 I want x1d body and sensor with SL speed, thats all I need. I felt attracted by the X1d at least two times and just recently I tried it again. It is just not for me. The sensor is fantastic, as are the looks and form factor. But the handling experience is frustrating. Of course my older 2.2/100 can only be used in MF mode because its firmware chip memory does not allow for the latest update. Fast lenses can only be used with the electronic shutter. No flash. 300ms readout time. Electronic viewfinder is not up to a medium format body. The list menu looks like an Android UI prototype. Battery life is mediocre. My S2 (!) is so much ahead of this I cannot believe it. No issue focussing the 2.2/100. Amazing. But then - for those wanting options in the mirrorless full frame market: it is coming. Nikon, Panasonic and now Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted September 1, 2018 Share #2336 Posted September 1, 2018 I shoot occasionally with friend’s Hasselblad H5D-50C. This image was hers. It’s an amazing camera and lens. I’ve tried the X1D before, it doesn’t come near ..... in my opinion. Hasselblad H5D HC 80 ƒ/8.0 80.0 mm 1/125 ISO 100 Untitled by meerec, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csacwp Posted September 4, 2018 Share #2337 Posted September 4, 2018 How do the new SL Summicrons compare with the X1D lenses? How are the skin tones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted September 4, 2018 Share #2338 Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) How do the new SL Summicrons compare with the X1D lenses? How are the skin tones? removed as not a comparison Edited September 4, 2018 by dancook 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted September 4, 2018 Share #2339 Posted September 4, 2018 Is this a comparison? Or I’ve missed something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted September 4, 2018 Share #2340 Posted September 4, 2018 Is this a comparison? Or I’ve missed something? ah no just a demonstration of skin tones captured by the X1D - do you need reference or comparison to judge properly? sorry I didn't think of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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