alib Posted June 4, 2018 Share #2281 Posted June 4, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I got a great deal on a HC100mm f2.2 in the mean time.... The X1D is quickly becoming my go to kit .... Gordon I had also considered the HC100mm as an interim measure, but before I try that I will try the novoflex with my fast 50mm Leica lens and see how that works. After which I will either keep a leica 50mm lens or sell all of my remaining M lenses. The X1D has replaced my M for my take everywhere camera and even fits in the tiny bag that I used. I also does for me what the SL did, so that may go the same way as the M as I never really carried that around with me anyway. I do however only shoot for myself so do not have the need for maximum flexibility, versatility, speed etc. I have the 45mm and 90mm XCD lenses and so far (2weeks) been so pleased with the 45mm that I have not even taken the 90mm out of the box yet. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 4, 2018 Share #2282 Posted June 4, 2018 Not new replacement motors, I hope. But that sucks either way. Jeff No. The originals. Was showing the camera to my girlfriends son who's got a thing for Leicas. The X1D had completely supplanted the S system for me at the moment. Plus I have the HC adaptor for the S. So I still have lenses I can use when the Leica's go down. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 4, 2018 Share #2283 Posted June 4, 2018 Well, at least your girlfriend’s son got some perspective regarding Leica. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 5, 2018 Share #2284 Posted June 5, 2018 Well, at least your girlfriend’s son got some perspective regarding Leica. Jeff It’s always nice seeing the reaction of someone holding an M for the first time. Gordon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted June 9, 2018 Share #2285 Posted June 9, 2018 those X1D live music shots are really nice Ordered my X1D now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted June 9, 2018 Share #2286 Posted June 9, 2018 those X1D live music shots are really nice thanks! I'm keeping a blog of my journey with the X1D, posting some photos and experiences. Just got back from Little Frensham Pond where I live, really loving this camera! https://hasselbladx1d.wordpress.com/ 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted August 7, 2018 Share #2287 Posted August 7, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) After using 4 camera extensively this year my short form summary is: X1D - sensor performance and ability to manipulate in post is peerless in my experience, lenses are reasonably compact and sharp (especially the 30 and 90), camera is a tad slow to start up and no racehorse shot to shot, it is beautiful to hold and use, high ISO performance is excellent but there are no really fast lenses for it so I end up shooting ISO 12,800 sometimes. SL - comfortably the most versatile, has the sharpest and most versatile set of native lenses if you don't mind the size, EVF is peerless, I have shot everything from 1,000 photos per hour at soccer games to intimate portraits with a Noctilux all with aplomb, the camera is great to hold and instills a sense of purpose and confidence M10 - great sensor, love the way it renders and handles with M glass from 28-75mm, love that the M glass is fast and very compact. Big improvement over M240 in terms of the rangefinder, but I sometimes still miss critical focus with moving subjects and I sometimes have to cheat by using the rear LCD to check my exposure in difficult settings (eg strong backlight). Gorgeous to handle and provides a sense of mechanical intimacy with the photo making process CL - easy to use, lenses are super, whole package is tiny and light and works brilliantly with M lenses and SL lenses. I hope the next firmware update gives an AF-ON option to separate focus from the shutter button. Images are excellent but lack the lattitude in post process you get from the SL or M. Camera is good to handle... but feels cheap and consumer next to the other three mentioned here. ***** So, unsurprisingly... the super short summary is: X1D - fantastic mirrorless medium format SL - brilliant and versatile mirrorless SLR replacement M10 - best digital rangefiner available CL - class leading APS-C camera with native Leica glass Honestly, you could be happy with any of them. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted August 8, 2018 Share #2288 Posted August 8, 2018 So, unsurprisingly... the super short summary is: X1D - fantastic mirrorless medium format SL - brilliant and versatile mirrorless SLR replacement M10 - best digital rangefiner available CL - class leading APS-C camera with native Leica glass Honestly, you could be happy with any of them. And, where does the S007 fit in your hierarchy of options? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted August 8, 2018 Share #2289 Posted August 8, 2018 So, unsurprisingly... the super short summary is: X1D - fantastic mirrorless medium format SL - brilliant and versatile mirrorless SLR replacement M10 - best digital rangefiner available CL - class leading APS-C camera with native Leica glass Honestly, you could be happy with any of them. And, where does the S007 fit in your hierarchy of options? Rob To be blunt, just another past generation camera with a mirror, and one that is massively overpriced. Even though I’ve happily dropped over $150K on my “Leica switch” over the past four years or so I never seriously contemplated spending AUD$27.5K on a 37MP camera with a mirror and native lenses that have a reputation for being highly unreliable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted August 8, 2018 Share #2290 Posted August 8, 2018 To be blunt, just another past generation camera with a mirror, and one that is massively overpriced. Even though I’ve happily dropped over $150K on my “Leica switch” over the past four years or so I never seriously contemplated spending AUD$27.5K on a 37MP camera with a mirror and native lenses that have a reputation for being highly unreliable. True. But when they do work the S lenses are something else. They really are. Plus the S007 is 16 bit, the battery lasts forever and there's a standard zoom currently available. I love my X1D. But I wish it took the S lenses. The S just needs to be 50% cheaper. Gordon 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted August 8, 2018 Share #2291 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) True. But when they do work the S lenses are something else. They really are. Plus the S007 is 16 bit, the battery lasts forever and there's a standard zoom currently available. I love my X1D. But I wish it took the S lenses. The S just needs to be 50% cheaper. Gordon And, it does what the X1D cannot do . . . it is ready for the next shot immediately. (No long shutter). Edited August 8, 2018 by ropo54 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2292 Posted August 9, 2018 I don't mean to be down on the S007... I just wish I could afford one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2293 Posted August 9, 2018 True. But when they do work the S lenses are something else. They really are. Plus the S007 is 16 bit, the battery lasts forever and there's a standard zoom currently available. I love my X1D. But I wish it took the S lenses. The S just needs to be 50% cheaper. Gordon Being a novice in MF-land (having the S006), I wonder whether 16 bit in S is a major factor for the undeniable difference between the S (at base ISO) and all other FF sensors I know, Nikon D850 included. Yes, the S lenses are great, but the new SL Crons are also outstanding, so the difference cannot be attributted to the lenses only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2294 Posted August 9, 2018 Being a novice in MF-land (having the S006), I wonder whether 16 bit in S is a major factor for the undeniable difference between the S (at base ISO) and all other FF sensors I know, Nikon D850 included. Yes, the S lenses are great, but the new SL Crons are also outstanding, so the difference cannot be attributted to the lenses only. I have to say yes. A great difference when used correctly. When 16 bit is in play, your ability to manipulate the file expands enormously. A straight comparison between an S file and SL files is usually of limited utility but when you need to change hues, tones, colours of an image, a 16 bit file will knock your socks off. Artists may need many levels of destructive filtration and manipulations to achieve their goal so the more data, the better. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2295 Posted August 9, 2018 Never used one but Leica DMR back for R8/9 produced 16 bit files, that was may years ago. Image quality i saw was always above any comparable sensor [1.33 full frame crop] or MP [10Mp]. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2296 Posted August 9, 2018 I don't mean to be down on the S007... I just wish I could afford one! No worries. To each his own. But, for my preferred uses, I wanted the ability to catch quick snaps of my grandchildren and the X1D was a tad slow for any movement by the subject. X1D files are terrific and portability is wonderful. (So, if one is doing a concise comparison of features amongst various cameras that aspect might be of significance). Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2297 Posted August 9, 2018 So, unsurprisingly... the super short summary is: X1D - fantastic mirrorless medium format SL - brilliant and versatile mirrorless SLR replacement M10 - best digital rangefiner available CL - class leading APS-C camera with native Leica glass Honestly, you could be happy with any of them. And, where does the S007 fit in your hierarchy of options? Rob IMO the S gives very close sensor IQ like the x1d, with the Leica rendering lenses (for my taste smoother than the x1d lenses), and more speed than the x1d in regards of switching on the camera, frame rate, black out time etc. I also own the cameras discussed and at the moment I use the S more often again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2298 Posted August 9, 2018 And, it does what the X1D cannot do . . . it is ready for the next shot immediately. (No long shutter). The X1D is slow to start up but I don't find it slower shot to shot than the S, despite the shutter in the lens recocking. Also the S has LENR from 1 second. So those shooting long exposures will find the S MUCH slower than the X1D. The Hasselblads are individually profiled at the factory and so don't need LENR. It's the loading of the calibration data that is the apparent reason the X1D takes longer to start up. And the sleep function works well now. Neither reacts like an SL. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2299 Posted August 9, 2018 The X1D is slow to start up but I don't find it slower shot to shot than the S, despite the shutter in the lens recocking. Also the S has LENR from 1 second. So those shooting long exposures will find the S MUCH slower than the X1D. The Hasselblads are individually profiled at the factory and so don't need LENR. It's the loading of the calibration data that is the apparent reason the X1D takes longer to start up. And the sleep function works well now. Neither reacts like an SL. Gordon You and I had this discussion in a previous thread; the X1D lens re-cocking definitely makes the camera's next shot longer to obtain. By that, I mean that the faster shutter action on the S 007 makes it ready to go right away, while the X1D is still going through its clackety-clack x3 action. Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2300 Posted August 9, 2018 Being a novice in MF-land (having the S006), I wonder whether 16 bit in S is a major factor for the undeniable difference between the S (at base ISO) and all other FF sensors I know, Nikon D850 included. Yes, the S lenses are great, but the new SL Crons are also outstanding, so the difference cannot be attributted to the lenses only. I suppose you mean other than the sensor size, which potentially provides clear advantages over FF files. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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