The Leica M-D thread - merged.

[ECohen]

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I'm afraid I can't join the discussion. Am out taking pictures with M9 and M60........

 

 

Nope friendly pool jump on in.

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[Joshua Lowe]

$6k US for a stripped down body using the M240 sensor (assumption) sounds too steep.  If it had the SL/Q sensor it would still be high but it more appealing.

[FrozenInTime]

$6k US for a stripped down body using the M240 sensor (assumption) sounds too steep.  If it had the SL/Q sensor it would still be high but it more appealing.

 

It is beginning to sound like the M-D is as much about getting a last drop of revenue from the M.240 platform as exploring the minimalist aesthetic.

 

A new sensor and a new body would be ideal; I will wait : I'm sure my M9 and MM will last another three years.

[Tailwagger]

Horses for courses. I'm not so ADD that I'm generically distracted by the presence of a screen when I'm focused on shooting. Most times it is off anyway.  But in some instances, the screen is an integral part of my process.  In hard or difficult light, I prefer to get a quick, idea of the consequence of the chosen exposure. Similarly, I'm often confronted with scenes where I have no desire to expose conventionally. In both cases I will shoot a test, review and then adjust the exposure manually.  There are other times when proper DoF is crucial, not too little, not too much. Still others, shooting in low light for example, where one goes in knowing full well that the exposure will have to be compromised in some dimension.  In such cases when one is on the hairy edge, its nice to have some measure of certainty.  Unlike some I do feel the need to frame critically when hand held from time to time. If I'm going to the trouble of lugging a tripod, I tend at that point of bring in heavier artillery.  In any of these scenarios one could avoid the screen and manually bracket exposures altering the crucial parameters, but for me, I find that tactic far more distracting than a two second pause for review and knowing what must be done as a result.

 

In my world the LCD can at times play a positive, integral role in the smoothing flow of the shooting. That said, I completely respect that others, perhaps far more skilled or simply wed to a different set of shooting rhythms can quite reasonably view anything outside of aperture and focus rings, shutter and iso dials as unnecessary frivolity that impinges on their connection to the camera.  So, while I doubt the M-D is in my future, I can see where it could make sense for others... assuming you accept a cell phone as a UI.  For those folks, I'm glad that it appears their desires are better served by this offering, even if mine are not.

[lm_user]

What if the M-D was a digital rangefinder that coulld also serve to provide pboto playback functionality when required? Thus substituting a small in camera lcd viewable through the finder for the external finder. A digital rangefinder with this functionality minus the external lcd would be appealing to many customers I would think

 

Hardly an original idea - the Fuji hybrid finder must do something similar...

[Tailwagger]

Hardly an original idea - the Fuji hybrid finder must do something similar...

 

Certainly and discussed here in many forms.  The most interesting one is the use of a pair of small pair of digital cameras to replace or augment the mechanical RF. ie. a true RF experience as opposed to Fuji's jumping frame lines... something I hated and so sold my copy.  The announcement of Leica's partnership with Huawei, and a dual camera with 'limited 3d capability', seems to at least give one reason to hope that this approach could indeed be on the horizon, if not as an M than perhaps a QM.  If so, sign me up. Some, no doubt, will never accept a purely EVF based system, but despite some drawbacks to EVFs in general, there are numerous advantages... they address my reason to chimp list above, for example.  In truth,  a lot of my disappointment with this new camera has to do with it heading in the opposite direction.  But perhaps the M is destined to push retro as far as it can go in the digital age while the Q, as the X100 did for Fuji, will provide the basis for an ILC. I can live with that... in fact I see having one of each as ideal.  One can imagine handling all the setup up tasks or any necessary review, etc for your M-D over wireless via your Q-M.   

 

One interesting comment/foreshadowing in the announcement for the Huawei collaboration (here) was a phrase about the partnership between camera's and cell phones, instantly sharing pictures, etc. It will be interesting to see how things play out over the next year or three. 

[jim0266]

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Here you go:

 

Here are the first pictures of the camera courtesy of www.rangefinder.com.hk.

 

http://leicarumors.com/2016/04/25/this-is-the-leica-m-d-typ-262-camera.aspx/

Edited April 25, 2016 by jim0266

[Mike Rawcs]

   Thanks Jim0266, it is a handsome camera, for sure. The photographs, tantalisingly, don't quite show the thickness of the camera body. More to come, I'm sure.

 

Mike.

[jim0266]

From the shine in the photos it looks like black paint and not chrome like the regular 262.

[Mike Rawcs]

What will the rear thumbwheel control?

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What will the rear thumbwheel control?

ASA

[Mike Rawcs]

So ASA will be shown in the viewfinder? If it's changed by the thumbwheel won't the viewfinder and the real ASA dial differ?

[Guest]

Here you go:

 

Here are the first pictures of the camera courtesy of www.rangefinder.com.hk.

 

http://leicarumors.com/2016/04/25/this-is-the-leica-m-d-typ-262-camera.aspx/

sweeeeeeeet.

 

lambda.

[Mike Rawcs]

That should be 'rear ASA dial'. 

[FrozenInTime]

So ASA will be shown in the viewfinder? If it's changed by the thumbwheel won't the viewfinder and the real ASA dial differ?

 

Exposure comp +/- 3 stops would be useful especially for A shutter mode 

 

Frame preview lever or not ?

[menos I M6]

Too bad about that stupid thumb wheel at the back of the camera.

This is the one single most annoyance about the M10 generation cameras for me.

 

I sincerely hope Leica did not implement the same very bad exposure compensation functionality in this camera as on the M10 generation bodies.

A viewfinder that displays you first and foremost exposure compensation instead of say: shutter speed or metering indicators is a viewfinder that slow you down.

 

I absolutely hate this implementation on the MMv2.

 

I only use exposure compensation on my digital bodies exactly the very same as I use it on my film bodies: I set a certain exposure compensation as of the planned development process of the roll of film or with digitals as a measure to prevent blowing highlights in contrasty light.

 

When wanting to over or underexpose a certain shot, I simply set the exposure manually - that's what the excellent shutter speed dial on Leica M cameras is for.

[don daniel]

The picture of the rumored camera must be a fake. The thumb wheel at the back is ugly and not necessary. Such a camera should only be controlled by on/off-button, shutter speed dial, aperture, iso dial and release button. Any additional wheel or button will ruin the puristic concept. In addition the price cannot be above the price of the M262. This would be ridiculous. 

[kkonkkrete]

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[jaapv]

Too bad about that stupid thumb wheel at the back of the camera.

This is the one single most annoyance about the M10 generation cameras for me.

 

I sincerely hope Leica did not implement the same very bad exposure compensation functionality in this camera as on the M10 generation bodies.

A viewfinder that displays you first and foremost exposure compensation instead of say: shutter speed or metering indicators is a viewfinder that slow you down.

 

I absolutely hate this implementation on the MMv2.

 

I only use exposure compensation on my digital bodies exactly the very same as I use it on my film bodies: I set a certain exposure compensation as of the planned development process of the roll of film or with digitals as a measure to prevent blowing highlights in contrasty light.

 

When wanting to over or underexpose a certain shot, I simply set the exposure manually - that's what the excellent shutter speed dial on Leica M cameras is for.

EV compensation is  not the only function of the thumbwheel, EV compensation can be modified not to use the thumbwheel too. The wheel is essential when using focus aid in the EVF. to switch between 5x and 10x with the camera at your eye, for instance.

(Btw, calling the camera M10 appears to me to be a bit mouldy-Luddite as well, so forgive Leica this foible )

[kkonkkrete]

But the 262 doesn't support EVF, and besides, how do you change the function if there is no GUI?

 

I also think they should have just left it off.  If you want to compensate exposure, just change the shutter speed.