dunhoy Posted November 23, 2015 Share #21 Posted November 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) M262 - it's what the M9 successor should have been (rather than bloated M240) - do get the lenses coded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Hi dunhoy, Take a look here Jump from M6 to M (262). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
chris_livsey Posted November 23, 2015 Share #22 Posted November 23, 2015 I can see for miles and miles OR I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles but not for miles x 3 http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/who/icanseeformiles.html But I still think you may like a 28mm if you try one:- Suck It And See by Arctic Monkeys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canticleer Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted November 23, 2015 @ Rick Thank you Rick. To be honest, I miss me M6 enormously. I hardly ever used it professionally, but in my free time I always carried it with me, mostly with the 35mm attached to it. In fact, it was hard to spot me without my M6 in the '90's and the early '00's. I have thousands of contactsheets with M6-shots. In the mid '00's I dismantled my darkroom and my analogue camera's moved to the top shelves. For a while I grabbed the D200 and later the D300 fitted with a 20mm lens when I left the house. But that never did the trick. And nowadays I hardly ever carry a camera with me when I'm off duty. Kind of fed up with it after toting the heavy D800 around while working. So I long for a easy to carry high quality camera and since I have this high quality Leica M glass laying around, the M is the obvious way to go. Had a closer look at the Fuji X-Pro1 a while ago but I wasn't that happy with the hybrid viewfinder, and after all I prefer FF. Can you please elaborate on the advantages of LV? @ Dunhoy When you say 'bloated M240' do you refer to LV and video, or to other stuff too? @ pkilmister I love The Who. I have, amonst others, the original Quadrophenia album from 1973 (not the soundtrack from 1979) with the booklet containing the beautiful black and white photographs by Ethan Russell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 23, 2015 Share #24 Posted November 23, 2015 @ canticleer: I saw the Who live at the Birmingham Hippodrome in the late 1960s. They were the final act. Spencer Davis were the first act, with Steve Winwood as their lead singer. They had to go first because at the end of the evening the Who completely destroyed the equipment. It was an amazing sight. Your album might be worth a fortune if sold in the right market. Probably not enough to fund a Leica body but you never know. @ chris_livsey: OK, I added or lost a mile. At least with my aging eyes I can see further than the Moon ... if you get my drift. Art is conceptual not always accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted November 24, 2015 Share #25 Posted November 24, 2015 @ Rick Thank you Rick. To be honest, I miss me M6 enormously. I hardly ever used it professionally, but in my free time I always carried it with me, mostly with the 35mm attached to it. In fact, it was hard to spot me without my M6 in the '90's and the early '00's. I have thousands of contactsheets with M6-shots. In the mid '00's I dismantled my darkroom and my analogue camera's moved to the top shelves. I have been shooting full time professionally for 26 years, digital for almost 22. There is simply no way in hell I would ever give up my darkroom and real photography for a perceived social norm or any client, ever. Don't get me wrong, I think my M240 is fantastic and it gets tons of use on jobs but it never goes anywhere without the M6 and will often stay home while my M6 goes with me. The digital M's are nice and all but in my opinion, the experience of using them does not hold a candle to using a real film M. Just my 2 cents... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted November 26, 2015 Share #26 Posted November 26, 2015 I have been shooting full time professionally for 26 years, digital for almost 22. There is simply no way in hell I would ever give up my darkroom and real photography for a perceived social norm or any client, ever. Don't get me wrong, I think my M240 is fantastic and it gets tons of use on jobs but it never goes anywhere without the M6 and will often stay home while my M6 goes with me. The digital M's are nice and all but in my opinion, the experience of using them does not hold a candle to using a real film M. Just my 2 cents... So digital photography isn't "real" photography? ......and giving a client what they want is conforming to a social norm? I spent 36 years as a working professional photographer ......once digital hit..... thats the way the business went....and the darkroom became unnecessary.....wet labs went out of business ...and deadlines changed from weeks to hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 26, 2015 Share #27 Posted November 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I've been a Leica M6 user since the early 90's of last century. Before I make the jump I have a few questions though. Are there any caveats I have to be aware of? In the past I read about the necessity of a IR filter to correct color aberrations in the corners, lenses that have to be coded, older lenses that don't perform to their max on the digital bodies… and so on. These are the Leica lenses I own: ° Leica Summicron-M 35mm f/2, made in 1992 in Germany (type 4?) ° Leica Summicron-M 50mm f/2 with clip-on hood, made in 1992 in Germany (type 4?) ° Leica Apo-Summicron-M 90mm f/2 Asph made in 1999 in Germany nothing you need to know except that the older lenses might look like the focus is fine on the M6 but digital is a precise taskmaster and you wil probably find in critical viewing tht one or more of those lenses might need adjustment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 26, 2015 Share #28 Posted November 26, 2015 Hi There Ivan Welcome - I'm sure that you'll enjoy yourself. Live View: It has the advantage of being able to see the frame with lenses wider than 28mm - it's also useful for checking the calibration of lenses (if that turns you on). The M262 is lighter and has a much reduced set of menu options (and no possibility of live view) I think that sometimes less is more - and although you can turn off live view, you can't turn off the extra menu options, the new camera also has a quieter shutter. As for the lenses - I'm with Duane on this one - rather than sending them all off to Wetzlar to be coded and cleaned (expensive and very time consuming) Why not see how it goes? As Duane says, you can make up a profile in the camera for each lens, it doesn't take long to remember to switch it around and check when you turn the camera on. . . that way you can shoot for a while and see whether your lenses need anything done to them. The M262 also has the advantage of a black chrome finish (more durable than black paint on the M240). If I was you I'd just grab an M262 and start shooting - you'll soon find that it's very similar to your M6 in spirit . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted November 26, 2015 Share #29 Posted November 26, 2015 of course you don't need a 28mm lens in the country because there is plenty of room to take a few steps backward. The more cramped the city you live in the wider angle lenses you need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 26, 2015 Share #30 Posted November 26, 2015 Well, I think you need a 28 in the countryside . . . Probably my most used lens in fact. (together with my beloved 75 'cron) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 26, 2015 Share #31 Posted November 26, 2015 of course you don't need a 28mm lens in the country because there is plenty of room to take a few steps backward. The more cramped the city you live in the wider angle lenses you need. That's true if you believe the purpose of a wide angle lens is simply to "get it all in", but even then it is only very partially true. So basically, I disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 26, 2015 Share #32 Posted November 26, 2015 Yes, ludicrous. I rather assume Jacques is pulling our collective leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 26, 2015 Share #33 Posted November 26, 2015 Before I make the jump I have a few questions These are the Leica lenses I own: ° Leica Summicron-M 35mm f/2, made in 1992 in Germany (type 4?) ° Leica Summicron-M 50mm f/2 with clip-on hood, made in 1992 in Germany (type 4?) ° Leica Apo-Summicron-M 90mm f/2 Asph made in 1999 in Germany So, I'd appreciate it very much if anyone can tell me what I have to beware of or take care of when buying an Leica M (262) considering the lenses I own. Thanks, Ivan i recently played with an M-P. My 35/2 mk4 and 50/2 mk5 seem fine in terms of focus, as do my 35/1.4 preasph, 35/2.8 Summaron, 35/1.4 Lux FLE, 50 Summar, 50 lux asph, 35/2asph and 90/4. I'm sending my Noctilux f1 in for adjustment. You'll probably find your lenses are fine. pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 26, 2015 Share #34 Posted November 26, 2015 This matter seemed to diverge into a discussion on the merits of 28mm photos in the countryside. See the photo visible here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/133538622@N08/22957869379/in/dateposted/ It was taken using a 35mm Summicron and is uncropped. In fact I don't think it needed any developing in Lightroom. Please explain how a 28mm lens would have made this photo better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 26, 2015 Share #35 Posted November 26, 2015 Wide angle lenses can often lead to markedly different results (not in a good way) than expected, due to their tendency to minimize background size (perspective ?). This is readily apparent with an SLR or live view, but not so using an optical finder which merely frames the field of view without showing the characteristics of the focal length. In scenic subjects with wide-angle lenses, contrary to intuition, it is the foreground that will be emphasized. Uninteresting objects in the foreground take on disproportionate importance, while interesting ones are helpful if not mandatory to lending interest and dimensionality to the image. And in urban subjects, great care must be taken to keep the focal plane parallel to the subjects to avoid keystoning, as well as elongation of objects and people close to the periphery. Again, those are not readily apparent in the Leica's optical finder, so one must keep it in mind. Although I own a couple 28mm lenses for the Leica, I mainly use them when "going long", i.e. carrying 28-50-135. Otherwise I prefer 21-35-90. I rarely if ever pair 21 and 28, 28 and 35, or 35 and 50 lenses. And I would never sell my only 35 in favor of a 28. I find the 35 much more of a universal lens (if there is such a thing) than a 28. As to choice of camera, while a year ago I would have preferred an M262 over an M240 even if the cost was equal, after using an M240 for a while I like having the option of the EVF even though I don't use it much. The close-focusing limits and parallax of a rangefinder pose some limits that live view solves, plus is obviates the need to carry and interchange several accessory viewfinders if I'm shooting several lenses that require them. So at this point I would prefer a demo or certified pre-owned M240 over an M262. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 26, 2015 Share #36 Posted November 26, 2015 It was taken using a 35mm Summicron and is uncropped. In fact I don't think it needed any developing in Lightroom. Please explain how a 28mm lens would have made this photo better. I'm not sure whether you are pulling our leg as well but, assuming not, I simply don't understand what relevance a particular photograph has to a more general question of the suitability of using a 28mm "in the countryside". Somewhat ironically (considering that I called you out on this point) I actually tend to use a 35mm myself for my photographs "in the countryside" but that is because I happen to find that focal length suits my way of seeing things and not because I think that a 28mm is unnecessarily wide for that environment. I often read advice here like "you need a 21mm for the narrow streets of Florence" and, frankly, I think it is a bit barmy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 26, 2015 Share #37 Posted November 26, 2015 Ian, No I am not pulling anyone's leg. Thank you for your comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 26, 2015 Share #38 Posted November 26, 2015 Boils down to how much one likes emphasized foregrounds caused by wide angle lenses... . Some people don't like that at all and will prefer 35mm or 50mm lenses for landscapes as well. Just a matter of tastes as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted November 26, 2015 Share #39 Posted November 26, 2015 I used the X1 exclusively for 12months.. A little cropping never hurt anybody...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 26, 2015 Share #40 Posted November 26, 2015 Boils down to how much one likes emphasized foregrounds caused by wide angle lenses... . Some people don't like that at all and will prefer 35mm or 50mm lenses for landscapes as well. Just a matter of tastes as usual. I don't like the that familiar, hackneyed look of heavily emphasised foregrounds that we see too often in landscapes, but that is not the only use of something wider than a 35 in the countryside. There is plenty out there in the country that isn't landscape photography, and is just as suitable for a range of interpretations as city- or street- based photography where wider lenses are often favoured. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/253482-jump-from-m6-to-m-262/?do=findComment&comment=2937632'>More sharing options...
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