Leicaiste Posted November 12, 2015 Share #81 Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I suppose there is a shortcut to the list of R lenses. I had to dig in several menus before reaching it when testing the camera. I would also love to be able to restrict the list of R lenses to the lens I own/use. To scroll through a list of 48 lenses was a bit time consuming. And also it it would be nice to see the list show as soon as putting the stacked Leica adapters on the camera. It should be possible in a new firmware. When I used a coded M 35/1,4 the list of M lens was shortened to two lines (different variation of 35/1,4). Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #82 Posted November 12, 2015 In my testing session on Friday, I was focusing the Elmarit-R 24mm f/2.8 set to f/4 and f/5.6 without aids and with aids. With practice, I can focus it at f/5.6 pretty consistently, but tapping the magnification button certainly helps make it faster. While I'd like the focus magnification to be locatable on the FN button, I didn't have any problem actuating it from the BL button. I didn't need to have my finger on the shutter release constantly either, which made it easy to toggle peaking on and off on the BR button. Machinery is often a little rigid as to what it can and cannot do. Human beings adapt more easily ... :-) So you had to remove your left hand from the lens and your finger from the shutter release... Never seen this so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbeyFoto Posted November 12, 2015 Share #83 Posted November 12, 2015 Will there be a Monochrom version? Apologies if I have missed this: can you lock focus while not locking exposure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 12, 2015 Share #84 Posted November 12, 2015 Well, my experience of modern interfaces of the kind favoured by Japanese manufacturers is limited to the EM5ii, but my conclusion is the opposite to yours, Wilson: a plethora of options that interact with each other unpredictably, and buttons splattered randomly across the body. I like the performance of the EM5ii, but not its interface. I hope (and assume) the SL, which I should get next week, will be different. But interfaces are very personal, and I accept others think differently. My worry is that Leica may have gone too far down the simplification route. It is a clever idea but if you do that, you have to ensure that all the few controls that you do have, are all fully utilised and very customisable. Hopefully this is something that can be corrected in FW updates and I am sticking with my order in this hope. However, on past experience, Leica have not been very responsive to customer requests/suggestions for FW updates and in the few instances they have been, have been desperately slow to respond. 18 months and still counting to do something very simple like correcting the GPS position zeroing error on the M240 MF grip is a glacial rate of working. My guess is that it's a change to just one line of code to alter the delay from the silly 300 seconds to the agreed, more practical 7200 seconds and we are still waiting. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted November 12, 2015 Share #85 Posted November 12, 2015 The instruction manual seems to support that all the focusing modes can be used for 11FPS capture, but be aware that when set to 11FPS capture, the camera only focuses for the first frame in the sequence. The two other sequence capture modes, at lower FPS, focus for each frame. Interactions between drive and focus modes are always fairly complex IMO. See the instruction manual for details on focus modes and drive modes, downloadable from the Leica USA or Leica AG websites. I've read the manual quite thoroughly. I don't see where it's mentioned that at 11fps that the focus is only on the first frame. Can you point me to the page number in the English manual? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 12, 2015 Share #86 Posted November 12, 2015 .... I would also love to be able to restrict the list of R lenses to the lens I own/use. To scroll through a list of 48 lenses was a bit time consuming. .... It should be possible in a new firmware. ..... It would be nice to be able to restrict the internal list of R lenses from the App on the iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #87 Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So you had to remove your left hand from the lens and your finger from the shutter release... Never seen this so far... I don't "have to" do anything. I can just reach with my thumb and hit the BL button, same for the BR button; can actually do either of them with the right thumb, the camera is not that big. But I do shift my hands fluidly on the body, I don't hold them rigidly such that my index finger is always over the shutter release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #88 Posted November 12, 2015 I've read the manual quite thoroughly. I don't see where it's mentioned that at 11fps that the focus is only on the first frame. Can you point me to the page number in the English manual? Page 206: Serial exposures You can not only use the Leica SL to take single pictures but also to produce a series of pictures. Setting and using the function 1. In the menu's CAMERA section, select Drive Mode, and 2. in the submenu, Continuous Low Speed, Continuous Medium Speed or Continuous High Speed. 3. Keep the shutter release button pressed all the way down. – The camera takes pictures until the capacity of the buffer memory or the memory card(s) is depleted. Notes: • If the shutter release button is immediately released again after pressing it, only a single picture will be taken regardless of the menu setting. The camera's buffer memory only allows a limited number of pictures to be taken in a series at the selected frequency. When the buffer capacity limit is reached, the frequency is reduced. • Regardless of how many pictures have been taken in a series, both review modes (see p. 242) initially show the last picture in the series or the last picture in the series saved on the currently active card (see p. 243), if not all of the pictures in the series have been transferred from the internal buffer memory to the relevant card yet. Details of how to select the other pictures in the series and further options in the review modes are described in the corresponding sections starting on p. 242. • Using the Continuous modes interacts with focusing operation, as well as with the exposure and automatic White Balance settings in the following ways/situations (see the respective chapters for details on the mentioned modes): – Continuous Low Speed and Continuous Medium Speed With AFs, AFc, and MF, the exposure and White Balance settings are determined individually for every single shot, with AFs and AFc focusing is also performed. – Continuous High Speed – With AFc, same as above – With AFs and MF, exposure and White Balance settings determined for the first shot are used for all following shots, with AFs, this includes the focus setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 12, 2015 Share #89 Posted November 12, 2015 The SL is marketed as having 11fps but there's conflicting info around the traps whether this is achievable. Specifically I can't find any technical details of the FPS during these 3 AF modes: AFc (continuous) with 1 point, Dynamic (Tracking) and Auto (Face Detect) There are some reviews like here that talk about FPS (underline is mine): http://www.cnet.com/products/leica-sl/ ”The Leica SL certainly has the fasted rated continuous-shooting speed in its class: 11fps (high) without continuous autofocus or autoexposure and 7fps (medium) with both. I only got it up to 5.8fps in the latter mode with our standard test procedures, but acheived 7fps for JPEGs with a shutter speed of greater than 1/500 second. I couldn't get the raw burst past 5.8fps, though. It can sustain the raw burst for a few more than 30 shots, but for an essentially unlimited number in JPEG (I stopped checking at 60). I might have been able to sustain a faster rate for the raw had the camera recognized my fastest 280MB/sec. card, the SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro U3 model. Leica says it should work with U3 cards." I'd love to confirm whether 11fps is accurate for DNG+JPEG during the 3 modes of AF I referred to above. the only test I ran managed 9pfs over 1 second and 17fps over 2 seconds .... and that was just general AF usage ....DNG+JPG. ...... and 16gb sandisk U3 280mb/sec works fine .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #90 Posted November 12, 2015 It would be nice to be able to restrict the internal list of R lenses from the App on the iPhone. adding: It would be nice to be able to completely configure the camera from the App, and save different configurations that can be loaded on demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #91 Posted November 12, 2015 I don't "have to" do anything. I can just reach with my thumb and hit the BL button, same for the BR button; can actually do either of them with the right thumb, the camera is not that big. But I do shift my hands fluidly on the body, I don't hold them rigidly such that my index finger is always over the shutter release. So you cannot press nor half press the shutter release while doing that, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #92 Posted November 12, 2015 So you cannot press nor half press the shutter release while doing that, right? Obviously, if I've moved my finger away from the shutter release, I cannot press it until I return to that position with my finger. Once the focusing aid is enabled, I put my hands in position to focus and release the shutter. The shutter half press cancels the focus aids and enables simulation mode so I can see what my exposure adjustments and aperture will result in. It's all quite quick and fluid. You can just leave magnification on and simulation off, you know: that way you get the full view by half-pressing the shutter release for target acquisition, release the shutter button and go to magnification for focusing, then half-press for final framing and making the exposure with full press. That's how I used to work with the Ricoh GXR: it was very fast and fluid. As I said before, there are several ways to work this. Human beings are flexible, machines are rather rigid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 12, 2015 Share #93 Posted November 12, 2015 I thought with two speeds of cards supported, the idea would be to put the DNG's on the fast card and the jpg's on the slower or smaller card, but from the instruction manual it seem not to be an option. Is that true, or (for the question list) can that be done in a future firmware release? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #94 Posted November 12, 2015 Obviously, if I've moved my finger away from the shutter release, I cannot press it until I return to that position with my finger. Once the focusing aid is enabled, I put my hands in position to focus and release the shutter. The shutter half press cancels the focus aids and enables simulation mode so I can see what my exposure adjustments and aperture will result in. It's all quite quick and fluid. You can just leave magnification on and simulation off, you know: that way you get the full view by half-pressing the shutter release for target acquisition, release the shutter button and go to magnification for focusing, then half-press for final framing and making the exposure with full press. That's how I used to work with the Ricoh GXR: it was very fast and fluid. As I said before, there are several ways to work this. Human beings are flexible, machines are rather rigid... Well to each his or her own as usual... I need to be able to press or half-press the shutter button whilst focussing personally. All my cameras allow that but the SL does not so far... Too bad for my flexibility but my wallet will remain rigid as long as i cannot have for 7k+ what i already got for 1k- without the least difficulty... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #95 Posted November 12, 2015 Well to each his or her own as usual... I need to be able to press or half-press the shutter button whilst focussing personally. All my cameras allow that but the SL does not so far... Too bad for my flexibility but my wallet will remain rigid as long as i cannot have for 7k+ what i already got for 1k- without the least difficulty... Fine. Why complain about it constantly then? You've said the same thing at least two dozen times. Either accept a different workflow or forget about it. I have five different digital cameras at present. Each of them has similar features, but the user interactions required to get what I want out of them are all different, even though I'm getting the same thing. This doesn't bother me at all. I might prefer one or the other, for one thing or the other, but they all work very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #96 Posted November 12, 2015 I thought with two speeds of cards supported, the idea would be to put the DNG's on the fast card and the jpg's on the slower or smaller card, but from the instruction manual it seem not to be an option. Is that true, or (for the question list) can that be done in a future firmware release? It's true as far as I can tell from handling the camera. It seems that Leica changed this on the latest S too, you can no longer split-save DNGs and JPEGs. Whether it can be implemented with a firmware update is a good question. There was someone requesting this feature as part of their update from an S2 to the latest S 007 model as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #97 Posted November 12, 2015 Fine. Why complain about it constantly then? You've said the same thing at least two dozen times. [...] Somewhat rude for an old Leica user like me... I reserve my right to express my views and my hopes as i like if you don't mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #98 Posted November 12, 2015 Somewhat rude for an old Leica user like me... I reserve my right to express my views and my hopes as i like if you don't mind... I have no problem with you expressing your views and hopes (I've been shooting with Leicas since 1969, so I think I qualify as an "old Leica user" too), and wasn't meaning to be rude. It just seems you've expressed the same thoughts over and over and over and over again, on most threads about the SL. I begins to feel a bit tiresome to read them once more, again. I do expect that Leica will update the firmware and allow for more configurability. There are several potential options that seem to be low hanging fruit, like putting the magnification button onto another soft key. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it any clearer, either to other forum participants or to Leica. I know from my experience with reviewing user input and feature enhancements at my company that when a single individual posts the same thing repeatedly, the tendency in the review team is to just toss them in the corner and wait for others to speak, effectively reducing its priority. There are several things I've noticed about that SL that aren't exactly what I'd want either. If enough of them were to put me off, I'd just not buy it and wait to see if they improved those things on the next round of hardware or firmware updates. No one has a gun to my head forcing me to buy another expensive camera ...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted November 12, 2015 Share #99 Posted November 12, 2015 Any sample images taken with this camera? Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 12, 2015 Share #100 Posted November 12, 2015 Any sample images taken with this camera? Where? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252714-disappearing-sl-threads-reposted/ After the 16th. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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