jonoslack Posted November 11, 2015 Share #61 Posted November 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Doug there are profiles to make the most of R lenses , but the real point is that it puts the lens information in the exif. and uses the focal length in the auto ISO calculations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted November 11, 2015 Share #62 Posted November 11, 2015 I suggest you try the camera, LCT, before you discount it. ...... also this is the one feature that has come up on the 'want' list repeatedly and I am sure Leica are aware of it .... I would be surprised if this is not changed at some stage fairly soon ..... just the facility to swap peaking and magnification between BL and BR would be enough Not for me i'm afraid... I need to activate focus magnification with the right thumb while pressing the shutter release... I must be too old to change my way of shooting i guess... Thank you much anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 11, 2015 Share #63 Posted November 11, 2015 Sad indeed. Makes me loose any interest in this otherwise tempting camera. Thanks for sharing anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 11, 2015 Share #64 Posted November 11, 2015 Hi there being able to re-locate magnification has been a wish from the start. I'd be surprised if it weren't in a firmware update soon Having said that, I've quite mastered it on the bottom left button. But these days I just focus ( no problems today with the 76 'lux at f1.4 in really low light (2000Iso at 1/60th). no focus peaking. no zoom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted November 11, 2015 Share #65 Posted November 11, 2015 The SL is marketed as having 11fps but there's conflicting info around the traps whether this is achievable. Specifically I can't find any technical details of the FPS during these 3 AF modes: AFc (continuous) with 1 point, Dynamic (Tracking) and Auto (Face Detect) There are some reviews like here that talk about FPS (underline is mine): http://www.cnet.com/products/leica-sl/ ”The Leica SL certainly has the fasted rated continuous-shooting speed in its class: 11fps (high) without continuous autofocus or autoexposure and 7fps (medium) with both. I only got it up to 5.8fps in the latter mode with our standard test procedures, but acheived 7fps for JPEGs with a shutter speed of greater than 1/500 second. I couldn't get the raw burst past 5.8fps, though. It can sustain the raw burst for a few more than 30 shots, but for an essentially unlimited number in JPEG (I stopped checking at 60). I might have been able to sustain a faster rate for the raw had the camera recognized my fastest 280MB/sec. card, the SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro U3 model. Leica says it should work with U3 cards." I'd love to confirm whether 11fps is accurate for DNG+JPEG during the 3 modes of AF I referred to above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 11, 2015 Share #66 Posted November 11, 2015 Hi therebeing able to re-locate magnification has been a wish from the start. I'd be surprised if it weren't in a firmware update soonHaving said that, I've quite mastered it on the bottom left button. But these days I just focus ( no problems today with the 76 'lux at f1.4 in really low light (2000Iso at 1/60th). no focus peaking. no zoom Because you focus at full aperture i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmaroski Posted November 11, 2015 Share #67 Posted November 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use Nikon. I like Leica. What about 24-70 or like it 2.8 constant aperture? What about 70-200 or a lens like it with constant 2.8 aperture? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 11, 2015 Share #68 Posted November 11, 2015 Adapters for other manufacturers' lenses -- I don't think we will ever see Leica making them, but the question to be asked is whether Leica will share enough information about their T (now L) mount to allow others to do so with some basic function. Andreas, are you making some sort of tabulation of these questions? I see that I am response number 67, and the pace is quickening. Even with some repetition there have been questions about firmwares 1.2 to 1.99 (near term), questions about additional video functions, questions about future products such as lenses... What categories do you plan to sort them into? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted November 11, 2015 Share #69 Posted November 11, 2015 Hi there being able to re-locate magnification has been a wish from the start. I'd be surprised if it weren't in a firmware update soon Having said that, I've quite mastered it on the bottom left button. But these days I just focus ( no problems today with the 76 'lux at f1.4 in really low light (2000Iso at 1/60th). no focus peaking. no zoom It can't be re-located at all? When I want magnified manual focus my left hand is on the focusing ring. Re-locating to one of the right buttons would work a lot better for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 11, 2015 Share #70 Posted November 11, 2015 Hi there being able to re-locate magnification has been a wish from the start. I'd be surprised if it weren't in a firmware update soon Having said that, I've quite mastered it on the bottom left button. But these days I just focus ( no problems today with the 76 'lux at f1.4 in really low light (2000Iso at 1/60th). no focus peaking. no zoom Which 'lux is that Jono? I want to try my Mk I 50/1.4R on the SL. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyfel Posted November 11, 2015 Share #71 Posted November 11, 2015 Sad indeed. Makes me loose any interest in this otherwise tempting camera. Thanks for sharing anyway. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted November 11, 2015 Share #72 Posted November 11, 2015 can the histogram be visible during video capture? can the histogram be visible during video capture with vlog enabled? if this is the case, what is the histogram showing? asking since the vlog is so flat... what AF modes can be active during video capture? does face AF work while capturing video? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcomarin69 Posted November 12, 2015 Share #73 Posted November 12, 2015 Are there plans for a wide angle tilt/shift or shift only lens in a future SL lens roadmap? Thanks Jon If Leica can come with a 24mm (maybe 21mm) and a 35mm it will be great. So far I need to keep adapting the C brand into my Leicas and although the results are not bad sure enough a lens design by Leica for Leica it will be a great addition for my architectural work. Does Stephan or Stephen will be able to answer the "technical question" of How much Dynamic Range the camera is promise to have after the final deliveries with the final version? (Nov 16th here in Singapore)? Is possible by firmware update in the future to record internal video 4:2:2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted November 12, 2015 Share #74 Posted November 12, 2015 Adapters for other manufacturers' lenses -- I don't think we will ever see Leica making them, but the question to be asked is whether Leica will share enough information about their T (now L) mount to allow others to do so with some basic function. Leica makes such adapters for Hasselblad, Contax 645, Mamiya 645 and Pentax 67 lenses on the S system. The first two adapters have full AE and AF capability. I suppose the idea was to make it an easier transition for medium format photographers with an existing kit of lenses over to Leica S (which also took a long time to fill out a native lens system). Given the lack of native SL lenses available at launch, adaptability of Canon and Nikon lenses to the SL could provide additional incentive to try the camera. It would certainly make it more tempting for me. But given that Leica's timeline for R and S to SL adapters is sometime in 2016, it leaves a question about whether such 3rd party adapters would have any priority. Even just the timeline for the next two SL lenses and the R and S adapters leaves me a bit puzzled. You'd think Leica would have at least the adapters ready at launch to make the SL that much more interesting to those with R and S lens collections... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #75 Posted November 12, 2015 The SL is marketed as having 11fps but there's conflicting info around the traps whether this is achievable. Specifically I can't find any technical details of the FPS during these 3 AF modes: AFc (continuous) with 1 point, Dynamic (Tracking) and Auto (Face Detect) There are some reviews like here that talk about FPS (underline is mine): http://www.cnet.com/products/leica-sl/ ”The Leica SL certainly has the fasted rated continuous-shooting speed in its class: 11fps (high) without continuous autofocus or autoexposure and 7fps (medium) with both. I only got it up to 5.8fps in the latter mode with our standard test procedures, but acheived 7fps for JPEGs with a shutter speed of greater than 1/500 second. I couldn't get the raw burst past 5.8fps, though. It can sustain the raw burst for a few more than 30 shots, but for an essentially unlimited number in JPEG (I stopped checking at 60). I might have been able to sustain a faster rate for the raw had the camera recognized my fastest 280MB/sec. card, the SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro U3 model. Leica says it should work with U3 cards." I'd love to confirm whether 11fps is accurate for DNG+JPEG during the 3 modes of AF I referred to above. The instruction manual seems to support that all the focusing modes can be used for 11FPS capture, but be aware that when set to 11FPS capture, the camera only focuses for the first frame in the sequence. The two other sequence capture modes, at lower FPS, focus for each frame. Interactions between drive and focus modes are always fairly complex IMO. See the instruction manual for details on focus modes and drive modes, downloadable from the Leica USA or Leica AG websites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #76 Posted November 12, 2015 Because you focus at full aperture i guess. In my testing session on Friday, I was focusing the Elmarit-R 24mm f/2.8 set to f/4 and f/5.6 without aids and with aids. With practice, I can focus it at f/5.6 pretty consistently, but tapping the magnification button certainly helps make it faster. While I'd like the focus magnification to be locatable on the FN button, I didn't have any problem actuating it from the BL button. I didn't need to have my finger on the shutter release constantly either, which made it easy to toggle peaking on and off on the BR button. Machinery is often a little rigid as to what it can and cannot do. Human beings adapt more easily ... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 12, 2015 Share #77 Posted November 12, 2015 It can't be re-located at all? When I want magnified manual focus my left hand is on the focusing ring. Re-locating to one of the right buttons would work a lot better for me. I didn't see a way to relocate the function with the firmware in the demo camera on Friday. But I've heard rumor that others were able to relocate it to the FN button. And I've also been told that after the camera is released to the public for sale, there will be a firmware update available almost immediately. On that basis, I suspect that some of these omissions will be addressed very quickly by updated firmware. The glaring omission to me is that in A and T modes, only one dial has any function - the one to set aperture and shutter speed respectively. The other has no function. There should be a way to set the 'unused' dial to do EV compensation directly, without a button press, and there should also be a way to set the dials so that you can have the primary parameter on one and the EV compensation on the other for both of these modes. That's how my Olympus E-M1 is set up ... I always have EV comp direct on the rear dial in Av and Tv modes, and the aperture or shutter setting on the front dial respectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 12, 2015 Share #78 Posted November 12, 2015 I didn't see a way to relocate the function with the firmware in the demo camera on Friday. But I've heard rumor that others were able to relocate it to the FN button. And I've also been told that after the camera is released to the public for sale, there will be a firmware update available almost immediately. On that basis, I suspect that some of these omissions will be addressed very quickly by updated firmware. The glaring omission to me is that in A and T modes, only one dial has any function - the one to set aperture and shutter speed respectively. The other has no function. There should be a way to set the 'unused' dial to do EV compensation directly, without a button press, and there should also be a way to set the dials so that you can have the primary parameter on one and the EV compensation on the other for both of these modes. That's how my Olympus E-M1 is set up ... I always have EV comp direct on the rear dial in Av and Tv modes, and the aperture or shutter setting on the front dial respectively. Having used the Olympus M1 and M5 series a lot lately, I agree. Olympus has a two-way mode switch so the front and rear dials are always useful, and cover four settings. The defaults are (1) rear in A or T is aperture or shutter speed , front is exposure offset, (2) rear is white balance, front is ISO. With one of the softkey buttons as a toggle, the SL could do this. And my first menu dive is always to set the video record button to enable focus peaking or anything nondestructive. I did that for my M[240] but the video qualities of the Olympus m5vII and the SL may make me rethink this. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 12, 2015 Share #79 Posted November 12, 2015 The modern Olympuses (Olympi?) have the cleverest man/machine interface/layout I have ever used on a camera. I am surprised more camera makers have not copied it. I doubt that it is something you can patent. Not only is the basic layout good but you can customise it extensively to your own needs, once you have waded through the awful manual. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 12, 2015 Share #80 Posted November 12, 2015 Well, my experience of modern interfaces of the kind favoured by Japanese manufacturers is limited to the EM5ii, but my conclusion is the opposite to yours, Wilson: a plethora of options that interact with each other unpredictably, and buttons splattered randomly across the body. I like the performance of the EM5ii, but not its interface. I hope (and assume) the SL, which I should get next week, will be different. But interfaces are very personal, and I accept others think differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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