lct Posted February 15, 2016 Share #421 Posted February 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not quite.....he then needs to go into the Set menu and disable video recording.....his other complaint. As clear as i recall this request has not been made before the firmware update so when the latter was presented in July 2014 everybody was happy but memory may serve me wrong. The video button should be programmable so that it could be used to trigger focus magnification or anything else like other competent bodies but this is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EdwardM Posted February 15, 2016 Share #422 Posted February 15, 2016 theoretically - can Leica produce new M with rangefinder and autofocus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 15, 2016 Share #423 Posted February 15, 2016 Theoretically probably, but it would require a whole new lens range, and it is doubtful whether the lenses would be small enough to prevent viewfinder intrusion. It is more practical to sell the customer one of the AF cameras. It is more realistic to speculate about some kind of focus confirmation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 15, 2016 Share #424 Posted February 15, 2016 theoretically - can Leica produce new M with rangefinder and autofocus? Anything is possible but I don't think an M type camera with a rangefinder and autofocus makes much sense (even leaving aside engineering practicalities). Something like a Contax G with M mount or a Fuji x100 type camera – i.e. a camera with a window rather than TTL view, possibly with framelines too – would make more sense but neither of those cameras uses a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 15, 2016 Share #425 Posted February 15, 2016 It is more realistic to speculate about some kind of focus confirmation. The M camera already has good focus confirmation: it's called the rangefinder focussing patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted February 15, 2016 Share #426 Posted February 15, 2016 Anything is possible but I don't think an M type camera with a rangefinder and autofocus makes much sense (even leaving aside engineering practicalities). Something like a Contax G with M mount or a Fuji x100 type camera – i.e. a camera with a window rather than TTL view, possibly with framelines too – would make more sense but neither of those cameras uses a rangefinder. i fully agree that rangefinder with autofocus doesnt makes sense, but, what im thinkig about is the engineering dead end - even if all our dreams will be implemented in new M, the rangefinder system itself is limited in futher developement. What else could be added to current M? Ok, bette dynamic range, better high iso perfomance, better sensor. what else? anyway, in 5-7 years horizon, the M as the pure rangefinder philosophy will hit its ceiling. Whis is pity for me as i like the M philosophy a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 15, 2016 Share #427 Posted February 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) What else could be added to current M? Ok, bette dynamic range, better high iso perfomance, better sensor. what else? anyway, in 5-7 years horizon, the M as the pure rangefinder philosophy will hit its ceiling. Whis is pity for me as i like the M philosophy a lot Not sure I get what is wrong with continuing to use the existing and previous products other than the economic impact this has on Leica from reduced camera sales. I don't think it is a bad thing if Leica (and other companies) have to adjust to lower growth and a future based around slower 'upgrade' sales and a slower development of new products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share #428 Posted February 15, 2016 i fully agree that rangefinder with autofocus doesnt makes sense, but, what im thinkig about is the engineering dead end - even if all our dreams will be implemented in new M, the rangefinder system itself is limited in futher developement. What else could be added to current M? Ok, bette dynamic range, better high iso perfomance, better sensor. what else? anyway, in 5-7 years horizon, the M as the pure rangefinder philosophy will hit its ceiling. Whis is pity for me as i like the M philosophy a lot The rangefinder is limited for 50 years, or even longer already. That is not a problem for me. One has to live with its limitations. If you can do it, you'll have quite a good camera. In de " film " years there was a distinct group of Leica M users. The ones who did not chose for autofocus cameras, but for the M or maybe they did have more than one camera. One M ( or two or three) and one autofocus camera. This choise I also want to have. Great classical design, with the best sensor available, better high iso perfomance, is just what I ask, no more no less. Plus a real MP like camera: With the MP there was a kind of warranty, that spare parts and components would be delivered 30 years after the issue of the last MP. It would be great, if this new M would be made for the future. It would be nice if Leica could garanty a digital camera which would last for decades, just like the rest of the M's. A digital M which has finally grown up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 15, 2016 Share #429 Posted February 15, 2016 i fully agree that rangefinder with autofocus doesnt makes sense, but, what im thinkig about is the engineering dead end - even if all our dreams will be implemented in new M, the rangefinder system itself is limited in futher developement. What else could be added to current M? Ok, bette dynamic range, better high iso perfomance, better sensor. what else? anyway, in 5-7 years horizon, the M as the pure rangefinder philosophy will hit its ceiling. Whis is pity for me as i like the M philosophy a lot There is quite a bit of scope for improving the viewfinder rangefinder/mechanism, I think. LED-generated (single) framelines, digitally generated and projected rangefinder patches, individual digital adjustment for individual lenses, hybrid view, etc. Whether this is all technically possible possible or desirable is another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted February 15, 2016 Share #430 Posted February 15, 2016 The M camera already has good focus confirmation: it's called an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 15, 2016 Share #431 Posted February 15, 2016 Well, you have to buy one, mount it, switch to it and look through it. I was thinking more in the direction of a LED lighting up when the RF patch is in maximum contrast. Inspired by the OM40 (Switchable of course, and probably only possible with electronic RF patches) <Speculation, vapour thought warning.> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 15, 2016 Share #432 Posted February 15, 2016 Every M camera I've owned has been able to give me tack-sharp focus with it's optomechanical rangefinder. The only issue I had was with my M9 which were the fault of shoddy QC, not the mechanism itself. Once I calibrated the rangefinder it stayed fit for the duration of my ownership. The fact is, the M's rangefinder is capable of 100% in-focus, and there is no such thing as >100% in this instance. Right now the limiting factor for sharpness is steadiness. What the M lacks most sorely is in-body stabilization. That would be a feature which might tend to make me think about upgrading. Being able to shoot at slower speeds hand-held would permit using lower ISO for maximum IQ, and/or stopping down 1-2 stops for maximum optical performance. And it would make shooting video hand-held more viable. Idk about others, but while I'm perfectly capable of hand-holding for a still shot, keeping a camera steady for the duration of a video, particularly if I am panning or walking, is beyond my ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted February 15, 2016 Share #433 Posted February 15, 2016 One way of implementing focus confirmation is to activate the shutter rather than display a message then wait for you to activate the shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted February 16, 2016 Share #434 Posted February 16, 2016 Let's imagine that focus picking will be implemented in viewfinder - is it possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 16, 2016 Share #435 Posted February 16, 2016 Not as long as the system is optical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted February 17, 2016 Share #436 Posted February 17, 2016 Not as long as the system is optical. True, but if they came out with a hybrid viewfinder they could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted February 17, 2016 Share #437 Posted February 17, 2016 &nbsp; True, but if they came out with a hybrid viewfinder they could.&nbsp; Probably, You have to make compromises depending on your style of photography. If you want speed, street photography, then the rangefinder alone as it is is more than adequate. If you want careful framing and " micrometric " sharpness exactly where intended then an EVF will be better. I see no usefulness to an hybrid viewfinder, only disturbing informations displayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted February 17, 2016 Share #438 Posted February 17, 2016 Well, Leica did file a patent for such a hybrid last year... How it will be implemented is anybodies guess... But a heads up in the optical viewfinder is not out of the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted February 17, 2016 Share #439 Posted February 17, 2016 I have some experience (45 years) with the rangefinder and a much shorter one with some japanese mirrorless camera that perform quite well. I did not try yet the SL. What i can tell is magnification is very useful in order to achieve precise distance setting but of course it is slow. Then you need also lenses with possibility to adjust very small changes and Leica rangefinder lenses are not optimized for that. More interesting in some cases the EVF without magnification allows for quick and precise adjustment using some " interferences " , image will be on focus when you see some " flickering ", i do not find the exact way how to describe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 17, 2016 Share #440 Posted February 17, 2016 Well, Leica did file a patent for such a hybrid last year... How it will be implemented is anybodies guess... But a heads up in the optical viewfinder is not out of the question. Can you give some pointer or link to that patent? I recall a patent being discussed here, but it was about an all digital rangefinder, i.e a solid state device; a hybrid one would be quite a different thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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