flyalf Posted November 12, 2015 Share #141 Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) How do know that video is not helping pay for further R&D of the still-photo "feature?" Leica no doubt sold a lot more M cameras due to customers that need/want to be able to shoot video. These sales I'm certain help increase the overall R&D of the M line. It is silly to think that the inclusion of the "feature" to store the live feed off the sensor to the card makes the camera more expensive. I would think that the opposite is true. And, another poster mentioned that the space could be better utilized for other features. Then, comments that we have smart phones for video. Huh? The electronic board in a smart phone is so tiny that I bet you could squeeze the whole board into the M and not notice it. It is silly to think the inclusion of the video "feature" takes up substantial space that could be used for other things I'm good with video myself and hope it is expanded in capability and quality on the new M... as I am certain it will be. Rick Ooookay, All surveys I have seen points to the fact that video users are the clear minority of M customers. I have yet to see someone stating that they purchased a M because of video. So I doubt that Leica "sold a lot more M cameras due to customers that need/want to be able to shoot video". I would say that Leica sold M cameras to customers that need/want to be able to make stills by a RF with option to use EVF. A few of these also use video. The majority of customers were IMO annoyed by unwanted video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #142 Posted November 12, 2015 I see that a few forum members have done extensive market research... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted November 12, 2015 Share #143 Posted November 12, 2015 I have many Nikons that do video, 750, 800, 800e 7000. I did a short one with the 7000 one time to see if it worked. It did. No doubt many pros use this feature from necessity, but Leica is no longer a pro camera. All paid work is Nikon. DSLR are more responsive and journalists are kept back from subjects for security so longer lenses are required. I have not seen a pro with a Leica in years. Maybe why the intro of the SL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #144 Posted November 12, 2015 Ooookay, I would say that Leica sold M cameras to customers that need/want to be able to make stills by a RF with option to use EVF. I do wonder about the EVF inclusion in that statement. The EVF2 is really subpar, especially for a $7k camera and was when the camera was released. As such it harms the M label and Leica as a brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #145 Posted November 12, 2015 Ummm.. What EVF was better back then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #146 Posted November 12, 2015 Ummm.. What EVF was better back then?Sony Even Olympus was in the process of dumping the EVF2 towards the EVF3. M users were hoping we could upgrade too, but sadly it was not to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #147 Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes - but that was introduced after the M, certainly after the M reached its production stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #148 Posted November 12, 2015 Yes - but that was introduced after the M, certainly after the M reached its production stage.Good excuse, not paying attention to industry trends when in development. Basing your product on what currently in the market. Sounds like a recipe for failure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #149 Posted November 12, 2015 OK, so the M failed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #150 Posted November 12, 2015 And we were quite stupid then because none of us did complain that Leica should have used such or such EVF instead of the Olympus V-F2 for the M240... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #151 Posted November 12, 2015 OK, so the M failed.... Yeah, pretty much. From a technical view, quite mediocre for a supposedly top flight company. The M9 was a greater innovation. Ok, let me ask you. What absolutely new innovation the M brought to the table? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #152 Posted November 12, 2015 And we were quite stupid then because none of us did complain that Leica should have used such or such EVF instead of the Olympus V-F2 for the M240... The Leica EVF2 is the Olympus V-F2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted November 12, 2015 Share #153 Posted November 12, 2015 Get over it. The M240 is what it is and the next M will be what Leica wants it to be. Buy or don't buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 12, 2015 Share #154 Posted November 12, 2015 Look, the point is that the M rangefinder is a tried and tested design. Adding bits and pieces to it immediately means that they will be compared with other cameras which will quickly move as the relevant technology progresses. We hear sufficient complaints about expense camera longevity already without built in problems which are when all said and done, peripheral to the fundamental functioning of the rangefinder camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 12, 2015 Share #155 Posted November 12, 2015 Buy or don't buy. Yes, that is the point. Does more features mean more and newer buyers or is the opposite actually the case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2015 Share #156 Posted November 12, 2015 The Leica EVF2 is the Olympus V-F2. Been there thanks... As i said, we must have been quite stupid then because none of us did complain that Leica should have used such or such EVF instead of the Olympus V-F2 for the M240... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted November 12, 2015 Share #157 Posted November 12, 2015 Been there thanks... As i said, we must have been quite stupid then because none of us did complain that Leica should have used such or such EVF instead of the Olympus V-F2 for the M240... Then when Olympus upgraded the V-F2 to the V-F3 for existing cameras... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #158 Posted November 12, 2015 I would not be very happy with the EVF-3... Do we really have to rehash this whole EVF stuff? - It has been chewed to the bone years ago. It is what it is and it will be different on the next M - as the whole world knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2015 Share #159 Posted November 12, 2015 Soden, on 12 Nov 2015 - 16:48, said:Soden, on 12 Nov 2015 - 16:48, said:Soden, on 12 Nov 2015 - 16:48, said: Yeah, pretty much. From a technical view, quite mediocre for a supposedly top flight company. The M9 was a greater innovation. Ok, let me ask you. What absolutely new innovation the M brought to the table? Och, well, they sold a few and had some happy customers... The M9 was just a full-frame M8. Which was not a bad thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lemon Posted November 12, 2015 Share #160 Posted November 12, 2015 I'd like to add to my list, toast. I really like toast. I'd like Leica to work on something that would provide a way the camera could make toast, I mean, really good toast. I'm sure everyone would agree that toast is good... never met anybody that didn't like toast, right? Rick I would wait for the Limited Edition Toast with no dot and ascetically positioned mould... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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