jip Posted September 16, 2015 Share #21  Posted September 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) What's FAG? The current 35/1.4 is known as FLE.  He believed Ken Rockwell his terminology over that of Leica their naming  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted September 16, 2015 Share #22 Â Posted September 16, 2015 What's FAG? The current 35/1.4 is known as FLE. An acronym made up by KR that translates as 'Floating Aspherical Group', LCT. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 16, 2015 Share #23 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Seems like KR has hit again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share #24 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Total sense of humour failure... I expected more. Â Yours, Â FAG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 16, 2015 Share #25 Â Posted September 16, 2015 <sigh> Once again Ken's arrow drops short of the target. Â I have always understood the acronym FLE to stand for 'Floating Lens Elements', which is correct since there is more than one element in the floating group, and as Michael points out there's only one aspherical surface in the group so to call it a floating aspherical group makes no sense to me. Â Please can we consign the odious acronym 'FAG' to the bin permanently? Â Pete. Taking liberties to rename something because you like it is a stretch. I think I'll call it......................................Dorothy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share #26 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Having discussed the thread and its many posts with my wife over supper, she humoured me, we both feel that elements acting together, as they do in this case, form a group. Whilst I appreciate not all surfaces of the elements are aspherical ones, this furthermore makes it clear and plain to see that FAG is better, more accurate, than FLE. It's not that just one element floats, but the entire rear grouping. Finally Leica do not call it anything other than LEICA SUMMILUX-M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 16, 2015 Share #27 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it makes you happy you can be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share #28 Â Posted September 16, 2015 If it makes you happy you can be wrong. Thanks for putting your point across so eloquently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 16, 2015 Share #29 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Thanks for putting your point across so eloquently. And gently too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted September 16, 2015 Share #30 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Well, whatever it's called Shiva, you've made a good choice in this excellent lens Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 16, 2015 Share #31 Â Posted September 16, 2015 Agreed. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #32  Posted September 17, 2015 Temptation... That is what is wrong...!  i have a 35 Summicron ASPH... my first new Leica lens.  If I'm being truthful, I have never really got on with it, despite its reputation. I bought it initially as I thought I would use just one lens for a year or two and a 35 seemed the most sensible single lens kit. I was already spending more than I should on a new camera and so decided that the 35 1.4 was an extravagance.  Trouble was, if I'm being honest, my first few months with my Leica M-P and 35 were a bit of a disappointment. I lost confidence and was not sure whether it was me or the lens. Sometimes I just think it is soft, sometimes I just think I can't focus... yet I couldn't find a plane within the frame that looked IN focus to me... so the disappointment continued.  Then, in February, I bought a Summilux 50 ASPH.  It changed everything. From the moment I bought it, my Leica now felt like a 'Leica'...  and more importantly, my images had that 'look' I had always wanted... incredibly sharp when needed.... and that beautiful, characterful, soft bokeh...finally I had everything I needed in a camera.  Now I realise that the 35 Lux is what I should have bought in the first place... If I had, I may still be on that 'one lens kit' I had wanted to be content with for a couple of years... and I would probably have enjoyed the whole Leica thing right from the start.  So your thread just reminds me that the 35 Lux has that 'something' that every Leica user wants... image quality with character... My Cron just doesn't seem to have it... It's very competent, very competent indeed, but has never been truly sharp, and ultimately produces fairly ordinary looking images compared to my 50 Lux.  The sensible thing would be to get rid of the 35 Cron and buy a 28 now I have a 50... but to be honest, I still love the idea of wandering around with just the one lens. More often than not, carrying a full kit is a pain in the arse and, besides, carrying everything makes me feel I ought to change lenses, or at least think about it - yet I never actually do...  So I quite fancy the idea of having a 28/50/90 system in my bag... And having a 35 Lux almost permanently mounted on my M240P... and leaving the bag in the hotel room or in the car most of the time...  This thread has confirmed my thoughts... trouble is, my 35 Cron will probably not realise all that much despite it being less than a year old and bought from new... and a 35 Lux is unaffordable at the moment... plus, having spent £10,000 on a camera and lenses within the past year, not really appropriate, even if I could afford to...  Hence the sad face...  I'm sorry to hear this Bill. I think you ought to visit Leica Mayfair and have it checked out. While I am enjoying the new lens, the old 35IV is still something I am using and liking. Its weight is just brilliant. I don't think that 28 and 35 are too close by the way, I know others do. I have 28/35/50. Personally I don't think anything above 50 really works on the M, given the fairly small viewfinder, and getting an external viewfinder, to me, seems to define the point of having a compact and unobtrusive camera.  Hope the 35f2ASPH works out for you with some tweaking by the experts. Jimmy is really good at the Mayfair shop and approachable too. With best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 17, 2015 Share #33  Posted September 17, 2015 trouble is, my 35 Cron will probably not realise all that much   Especially now you've made it sound like your Summicron might be a bit of a lemon.  The 35 Summicron ASPH and 35 Summilux ASPH (both flavours) are lenses that I've wavered between incessantly during the last fifteen years. At the current count, I've owned the Summicron four times and the Summilux three times (technically four times but that's another story). I have both at the moment and plan to keep it that way (if pushed I'd probably keep only the Summicron even though I think the Summilux is the better lens). If there is one thing I've learned in that time it is that both lenses are terrific and that neither makes the difference between a good photograph and a crap one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted September 17, 2015 Share #34  Posted September 17, 2015 Especially now you've made it sound like your Summicron might be a bit of a lemon.   Yeah... I realised that after I posted it... 'there's nothing more of a fool than an honest fool...'  I think I am going to take it down to Mayfair and ask them to check it out for me... thats where I bought it last October... If it has to go away for a bit, thats fine... I would rather be sure its OK... I know Jimmy Hughes really well anyway from my days at Linn and I'm sure he will give me an honest appraisal. He used to be in the HiFi industry as a reviewer - and all of us were incredibly jealous of his record collection... He must have thousands of LP's and CD's...  Jimmy... if you are reading this, your record collection is STILL the talk of the industry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted September 18, 2015 Share #35 Â Posted September 18, 2015 Â Â Yes. It was your comments that led me to getting a new lens. I am a great enabler. Meanwhile, I bought myself a 50 Apo. I told my friend I would do him a huge favor and not let him try it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted September 23, 2015 Share #36  Posted September 23, 2015 It's FLE - Floating Element  Not FAG - Floating Aspherical Group or FEL - Floating Endowed Lens or CAITLPB - Current And In The Leica Price Book Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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