Rick Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1501 Posted October 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) What ever it is Steve is going to see and then have a world exclusive review... it is going to be the besetest, super-dooper, gal-dang camera ever made!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Hi Rick, Take a look here NEW M.. This year.. This Fall.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
likealot Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1502 Posted October 6, 2015 generally speaking, something built to professional standards ... camera and lens are built to more exacting standards ... Erm... having read the various threads in this forum where people complain about the various faults that the Leica (£3k+ and £5k+) cameras have and continue to suffer I can be forgiven for thinking that those parts of your sentences dont really apply to these products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1503 Posted October 7, 2015 It seems that other pros like doctors, lawyers and dentist are the only "pros" that can afford to buy this stuff anymore. Sir, I wish to protest the previous characterization in the strongest possible terms. Several of my friends are dentists and doctors and only a few of them have Leicas. Thank you. -A lawyer (and M9 owner) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1504 Posted October 7, 2015 Pro photography is a widely represented field. There are many of us using Leica as part of our tool box. Some make £20K a year, some make £20K in a week. It is very turbulent though, it's tough to get there and tough to stay there. Personally, I hate the term pro, I think it's tacky and is often used in the context of posturing, like it means something. There are so many terrible pros who don't really get photography, and there are so many amateurs who are incredible, who have found their voice. The labels mean nothing. There is just photography. Professional, in the context that Leica has spoken of in their press release, to me, means high image quality, high usability, high support, high reliability and a feature set required for the professional market with zero gimmicks. It's everything that Leica stands for, Das Wesentliche. It also means, or should mean, cutting edge. I did shift from Canon and I have to say at first it did worry me using the M9 on professional work. It seemed crude, slow, it's reliability was a mystery, the lack of decent tethering was bad, the finder blockage and framing accuracy was terrible, not having the option of AF was a psychological barrier, it was idiosyncratic, but I just fell in love with the way the pictures looked and for much of my work it held it's own with my Phase One/Blad outfit. The IQ from the lenses was so much better than the Canons. I worked through it all and I soon fell in love with the actual camera and the things I didn't like about it, became things I loved, or had a work around for. It became very much an extension of me. I've never really felt much an interest in the actual camera before, like I do with my Leica, it was always "just a camera" before. The reason I ramble on like this is because I'm not sure many would share my enthusiasm and willingness to make it work. Most of my colleagues go crazy for the image quality but when I give them mine to try they look through the finder and look puzzled and tell me I'm mad. The same thoughts I felt when I first bought it, btw. I've come to learn, though, that those barriers are just a mindset, perception, put in place by marketing and habit. What this means for Leica and the 601, who knows. This really could be the breakthrough in usability that gives the assurance that most pros need in their gear. Sure the price isn't going to suit everyone but nothing new there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1505 Posted October 7, 2015 Sir, I wish to protest the previous characterization in the strongest possible terms. Several of my friends are dentists and doctors and only a few of them have Leicas. [...] Rick did not say the contrary. You, me and other dentists, doctors, lawyers & engineers here are probably more numerous on the LUF than pro photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1506 Posted October 7, 2015 I think we are at risk of drifting this thread into a discussion of what it means to be a pro photographer when the discussion should stay on track with Leica's announcement of a "new chapter in professional photography." Leica makes cameras, not photographers. I thought the discussion here was about a new professional camera from Leica not professionals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1507 Posted October 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Of course, but micro adjustments can be made. I'm not sure how many pros go to the trouble anyway. I wouldn't say a pro photographer standing on the sidelines is any less of a professional than any other, maybe better paid? That's why I used them as an example of someone that might have enough money to dump their current gear and buy into something like the SL. I guess I really don't know for sure which pros are making a bunch of money. I'm sure there must be some very well paid pros, but most don't make much money. The article I read has photographer as the worst paid profession to go into after a college degree. It seems that other pros like doctors, lawyers and dentist are the only "pros" that can afford to buy this stuff anymore. Yep, the thread did indeed start to drift..... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1508 Posted October 7, 2015 Yep, the thread did indeed start to drift..... Jeff Nope. I was talking about who is going to use this camera not what it means to be a pro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1509 Posted October 7, 2015 Those who use it will be this who can afford it and reckon it's worth forking out the necessary spondulix. Leicas have always been expensive. For pros who derive at least some of their income from photography, some of the burden at least is lessened. The new Leica will still have to hold sufficient appeal to justify its anticipated hefty price tag. So what makes it appealing? Not just a bunch of more and more whizzbang features and USPs, surely; it needs to feel special, as well as produce top notch results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1510 Posted October 7, 2015 Whatever your profession Leica's are always going to be expensive. I reckon the next iteration will be a Q Vario..M's will get tweaked and we will all get GAS once again.. The general feeling regarding QC on all Leica's needs to be addressed.. Step It Up Wetzlar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1511 Posted October 7, 2015 Another nonsense discussion about pros "pros" make money from a photo "pros" mostly don't buy the most expensive gear. only the ones bragging on youtube like to I have seen "pros" use Canon 450D (yes - better believe it), 50D, 60D, Panasonic GX1, Sony A6000 etc. Whatever camera someone uses to make money, who cares, only the client looks at resultant photos. Many pros do use Leica M but less of them made then other cameras so go figure Most pros use Canon or Nikon - Surprised ???? come on anyway I heard most buyers of D4 and 1DX are amateurs these days. Lots of dentists ? Don't know my brother is a dentist and has a large overdraft and a semi. He is also a qualified gum surgeon .... perhaps another discussion for barnaks bar ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1512 Posted October 7, 2015 .... I really don't understand the reference to professional photography on this forum, unless it is what would loosely be called fine art.... I agree that is a discussion out of scope in this thread : but is a fact that the official Leica invitation to the 20th Oct. event makes a specific allusion : "... Be one of the first to experience the next chapter in the history of professional photography..." Usually, the words used in official public documents are calibrated with attention... is this word "professional" used "just for sounds fine ?" .. or does it raise some questions about the content of the announcement ? ; discussing about the concept of Pro in itself is a matter of Barnack Bar, as said above... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1513 Posted October 7, 2015 A dentist with an OD! Tell him to come to the States! this place is awash with money. I did well in the UK, here it just rolls in.. My buddy who works in the Security field as does his wife, income without O/T or Bonuses = $96k last year... The latest and greatest might be Leicas version of the Lytro".. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1514 Posted October 7, 2015 anyway I heard most buyers of D4 and 1DX are amateurs these days. Lots of dentists ? I heard dentist pro's only use bows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1515 Posted October 7, 2015 Hmm, another point missed. Does it it occur to anyone that there is a difference between advertising professional quality equipment, and what most professional photographers do? I really am not being critical here. I'm 100% positive the new M and the new system SL, or whatever it is called will be fabulous. They may have a flaw or two, but they will be fabulous. I'm also very sure of two more things - (1) they will have sod all to do with what 99.9999% of the world's paid photographers do for a living, and (2) Steve Huff will not get a global exclusive on either camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1516 Posted October 7, 2015 As I said above, pros use all sorts of equipment. Some will buy these cameras as other ones. I am not sure that percentage is accurate especially as it's a prediction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1517 Posted October 7, 2015 64.8% of forecasts are made up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1518 Posted October 7, 2015 Having been professionally involved in photography in the past, I can say a professional photographer is as generic a term as a professional call girl. Some are ugly, some are beautiful, some are sophisticated, some are vulgar, some are very cheap, some are astronomically expensive. Of course, the beautiful, sophisticated ones are a small minority and the price is proportionate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral75 Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1519 Posted October 7, 2015 First rumor concerning price: a little bit more than €10,000 for the Leica SL + Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4 / 24-90mm Asph. combo. New Leica SL kit to cost over 10.000 Euro! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1520 Posted October 7, 2015 Having been professionally involved in photography in the past, I can say a professional photographer is as generic a term as a professional call girl. Some are ugly, some are beautiful, some are sophisticated, some are vulgar, some are very cheap, some are astronomically expensive. Of course, the beautiful, sophisticated ones are a small minority and the price is proportionate Probably the most useful post in this thread although I must admit my knowledge of call girls is limited .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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