k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1841 Posted October 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Went through Jim's blog (link in your comment) and although 50lux is same in M240 and Kolari, the tiny 28 elmarit is vastly superior on M240 compari to Kolari. He says (for f/2.8) "The Leica is substantially better. It’s not great, but the Kolari image is unusable if corner sharpness is necessary." Kolari doesn't catchup till f/11 Thanks. Indeed the 28 elmarit is pretty bad on A7 cameras, including a modified one. I have that lens and also the 28 Summicron. I will test them down the road when I have my A7r2 modified. My main WA lens is the WATE. That's more than useable even on an unmodified A7r/2. A7r2 + WATE BTW, the BSI sensor in the A7r2 has a similar effect as the image you show. It reduces discoloration quite a bit. To reduce corner smearing you need a thinner sensor cover glass or a different lens design, such as is used in the WATE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmahto Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1842 Posted October 20, 2015 For now M is all I need... A better EVF and responsive processor (for non M lenses) as in SL will be more than welcome but I am not waiting. Last weekend I was out hiking for three hours in heavy rain with minimal protection to M240+28cron. I love what this combo can do. I can almost count the fingers on the guys next to the railing !! ... Not quite... but you get the idea. [i really don't intend to diminish the value of any other system since they are also great in what they do. It is just that existing M is more than enough for me. After all this thread is about new M] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/248322-new-m-this-year-this-fall/?do=findComment&comment=2908941'>More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1843 Posted October 20, 2015 One intriguing question I have is regarding the R to SL adapter. Does this mean we will be able to use R lenses on the T? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1844 Posted October 20, 2015 One intriguing question I have is regarding the R to SL adapter. Does this mean we will be able to use R lenses on the T? We already can, combination T-M Adapter/M-R Adapter both from Leica or the T-R adapter from Novoflex. This is the way for the SL too, until fall next year (yes 2016!), then the (S)L-R adapter from Leica only is becoming available. If they make it on time. Don't want to know the price yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1845 Posted October 20, 2015 The idea was an EVF based camera as a back up to the M240, and cheaper (since there is no expensive RF). Whose? Certainly not Leica's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1846 Posted October 21, 2015 We already can, combination T-M Adapter/M-R Adapter both from Leica or the T-R adapter from Novoflex. This is the way for the SL too, until fall next year (yes 2016!), then the (S)L-R adapter from Leica only is becoming available. If they make it on time. Don't want to know the price yet. Also potentially pricey S adapter, my Contax 645 to S adapter was $2000. Leica adapters are quality but prices can be brutal, yet I appreciate their availability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1847 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) For now M is all I need... A better EVF and responsive processor (for non M lenses) as in SL will be more than welcome but I am not waiting. Last weekend I was out hiking for three hours in heavy rain with minimal protection to M240+28cron. I love what this combo can do. I can almost count the fingers on the guys next to the railing !! ... Not quite... but you get the idea. [i really don't intend to diminish the value of any other system since they are also great in what they do. It is just that existing M is more than enough for me. After all this thread is about new M] Good point. The current M is a fantastic mature system that has room for improvement but nothing immediate or essential. I think the M looks even more appealing for what it does in the company of the Q and SL. BTW. Great picture, but I zoomed in, and I could count the fingers. Each hand has five Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwmount Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1848 Posted October 21, 2015 I've always bought camera systems for the lenses first. I actually think have a 24-90mm f2.8-4 range is pretty tasty, given the MTA figures A nice compliment to an M for primes and a repose to Sony which doesn't have a mid-range zoom of interest at the moment The long zoom looks very nice as well My comment on the price is that it make the M240 at the current prices, new or second hand, stay firmly in the game, and differentiates nicely between the two systems which don't overlap much. I think the SL looks clearly better for events or where heavier lifting is ok, whereas the M stays firm favourite for lightweight street and travel The funny thing is I have zero interest on how this plays with M lenses. I much prefer an M for that THAT IS REALLY FUNNY !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1849 Posted October 21, 2015 Frankly I don't plan to invest in R lenses or S lenses, just to use a new camera body from Leica. Also I foresee that until a decent SL lenses ship, most folks will use the SL mainly with M or S lenses for full-frame. I am curious to understand how the SL will perform vis-a-vis the Sony A7RII which is the nearest competitor, with M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1850 Posted October 21, 2015 Tee hee The SL has a GPS and the status icon on the top LCD in the photo on Leica's web site shows it can't find any satellites. I wonder if it's also censored in China. GPS works really well in my experience. As far as China etc. is concerned, the usual restrictions apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1851 Posted October 21, 2015 GPS works really well in my experience. As far as China etc. is concerned, the usual restrictions apply. I always wondered how well GPS can work on any device that is not always on. Even my dedicated hiking GPS takes some time locking on the satellites if it wakes up in a totally new place (quite far from last time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1852 Posted October 21, 2015 Not sure if the link will track through to the right comarison http://camerasize.com/compare/#639,323 looks very large in comparison to the M and 40% heavier before one of the 'S' size lenses, no shrinking violet or pocket companion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1853 Posted October 21, 2015 [...] looks very large in comparison to the M and 40% heavier [...] Compared to the M240, the SL601 is: • 6% (8 mm) wider and 30% (24 mm) taller • 7% (3 mm) thinner • 25% (167 g) heavier source: http://camerasize.com/compare/#639,389 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1854 Posted October 21, 2015 I have a dream, Now that Leica has the good EVF, the electronics and the SL for video i hope they upgrade the M quickly. Without video, optimised for photographers, ibis, double pixel count and a return to M9 dimensions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1855 Posted October 21, 2015 I have a dream, Now that Leica has the good EVF, the electronics and the SL for video i hope they upgrade the M quickly. Without video, optimised for photographers, ibis, double pixel count and a return to M9 dimensions. I would be happy if the next M could take a much better EVF, still keeping the RF of course. The rest, if can be done in a slimmer body, would be a plus plus. I was hoping the new camera would be more like the T, but with full frame.......but oh well. Maybe next year. I would also like to see a Q50. Leica please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1856 Posted October 21, 2015 NEW M.. This year.. This Fall... So, the SL is not the new M: no surprise there then. But will we really have to wait until Photokina 2016 before Leica announces an M with a similarly decent accessory EVF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1857 Posted October 21, 2015 IBIS will never happen on the M. Loss of video doesn't make any sense, although they may do a M10 like edition. A better EVF is a given. More pixels would be good, not sure about double Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1858 Posted October 21, 2015 I don’t quite see a future Leica not supporting video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1859 Posted October 21, 2015 It would be interesting to know what proportion of M owners use video, my guess is very few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 21, 2015 Share #1860 Posted October 21, 2015 It would be interesting to know what proportion of M owners use video, my guess is very few. It doesn’t matter. Leica has the technology developed anyway and it might cost more to disable it than to just leave it in. And video is a big thing for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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