colonel Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1821 Posted October 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know this thread is mostly populated by M users (with of course some main users of other cameras infiltrating !!) and other Leica camera users but despite that I like this new system, and the idea of go with zooms initially seems a good idea compared to the competition. If the 50mm f1.4 is anything like the Summilux then that's a good thing as well, as the only good 50mm DSLR lenses the last time I looked were the Sigma and Otus I wish Leica lots of luck with this. At the moment my needs are met with the M, both film and digital, and some CSCs/compacts. But in the future if I want FF AF this will be top of my list to look at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1822 Posted October 20, 2015 as the only good 50mm DSLR lenses the last time I looked were the Sigma and Otus Good for what? There are numerous 50mm SLR primes by all the main manufacturers that are perfectly fine for anyone not conducting lens tests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1823 Posted October 20, 2015 Someone commented on another forum about the size of the 50 lux, which indicates it has been designed for a thick sensor cover. This doesn't bode well for M glass adaptation. Well, in that case you could always ask Kolari to exchange the thick cover glass. They probably would consider it if there are enough sales. Here http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1392833/0#13246128 you can get an idea what improvements to expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1824 Posted October 20, 2015 Well, in that case you could always ask Kolari to exchange the thick cover glass. They probably would consider it if there are enough sales. Here http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1392833/0#13246128 you can get an idea what improvements to expect. Why would I want to do that? The idea was an EVF based camera as a back up to the M240, and cheaper (since there is no expensive RF). The SL costs more than the M240 so a used M240 would be a better back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1825 Posted October 20, 2015 Why would I want to do that? The idea was an EVF based camera as a back up to the M240, and cheaper (since there is no expensive RF). The SL costs more than the M240 so a used M240 would be a better back up. I agree, that makes sense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1826 Posted October 20, 2015 Simply put, the A7R ii as designed is not very good with wide angle M lenses. Maybe true, but it sure is good with Zeiss FE WA designed lenses. Zeiss makes extremely good lenses too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1827 Posted October 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Heck, I was hoping M240 prices would be dropping. Perhaps not. A7R2 sales will be increasing whether we M240 users like to hear it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1828 Posted October 20, 2015 Maybe true, but it sure is good with Zeiss FE WA designed lenses. Zeiss makes extremely good lenses too. I agree Lou, I have some of those Zeiss lenses. The problem is not with the A7r2 in general, it's only with the thick sensor cover glass, but that can be replaced. Then it becomes a very suitable camera for M lenses. In fact a modified A7 or A7II has been shown to eliminate the corner smearing that even the 50 Summilux-M ASPH exhibits on an M240 camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1829 Posted October 20, 2015 My personal opinion on this new Leica system, based on current news: - both the camera and lenses are way too BIG! - (so far) no real innovation compared to what the market is already offering at a lower price (ie. Sony A7RII); - very expensive system. I'm confident IQ will be as good (or even better) compared to what Sony offers, but still why should I buy a camera at that price if it does not offer something unique?? The M system even if it's very expensive, is a better choice in my opinion, since it offers something that other cameras in the market don't have: a light and small system with outstanding image quality! If I'm looking for a backup system with AF lenses, I believe there are better and cheaper options (Sony A7 or even a small APS-C system like a Leica T or Fuji X-T1 camera). This is new system is expensive, huge, heavy and (so far) doesn't offer anything unique ... Maybe a viable and practical option would be to use this new camera with the smaller 18-56 and 55-135 mm T-mount zoom lenses and than, when maximum quality is needed, use a fixed full-frame lens (m or sl mount). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1830 Posted October 20, 2015 In fact a modified A7 or A7II has been shown to eliminate the corner smearing that even the 50 Summilux-M ASPH exhibits on an M240 camera. Do you have a source for that? Not being contentious, just intrigued. Last month I looked into that mod option but found no comparisons that would inspire me to buy into a new camera system and then spend $500 more for a modification. Any word on whether the mod to a thinner sensor glass negatively affect native lenses? Obliged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1831 Posted October 20, 2015 [...] In fact a modified A7 or A7II has been shown to eliminate the corner smearing that even the 50 Summilux-M ASPH exhibits on an M240 camera. Any pic or link about that? I understand that you cannot show any sharp corners out of Leica wides on your Sony body but perhaps you can show smeared corners out of the Summilux 50 asph on your M240 if you have one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1832 Posted October 20, 2015 I fervently hope so. Normally, the tread goes further with complaining about what Leica made or the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1833 Posted October 20, 2015 Do you have a source for that? Not being contentious, just intrigued. Last month I looked into that mod option but found no comparisons that would inspire me to buy into a new camera system and then spend $500 more for a modification. Any word on whether the mod to a thinner sensor glass negatively affect native lenses? Obliged. Thanks. Sure, this is the reference I had in mind. KOLARI THIN-STACK MOD ON A7II VS M240 — LEICA 50/1.4 SUMMILUX http://blog.kasson.com/?p=10967 It looks like their performance is neck to neck. That's probably a better description. To your second question. Yes indeed, as one would expect, with the Kolari modification native FE lenses can suffer. AFAIK only a few native lenses have been tested so far. A good summary of all the tests one can find here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1392833/0#13246128 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1834 Posted October 20, 2015 Well, from the news so far, the new SL will be capable of using with ANY Leica lens system..., that should please everyone... If that proves to be true, I think this may turn out better than most of us thought... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonathanP Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1835 Posted October 20, 2015 Interesting comment from Jono's review: http://www.getdpi.com/wp/2015/10/the-leica-sl/ although the edges and corners of the M240 were slightly better than the SL, the results for the SL were hugely better than those from the Sony A7 mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1836 Posted October 20, 2015 Interesting comment from Jono's review: http://www.getdpi.com/wp/2015/10/the-leica-sl/ That's great and implies a pretty thin cover glass to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1837 Posted October 20, 2015 Tee hee The SL has a GPS and the status icon on the top LCD in the photo on Leica's web site shows it can't find any satellites. I wonder if it's also censored in China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1838 Posted October 20, 2015 I'm feeling so lucky to have my M240 and will cherish it until the next model comes out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1839 Posted October 20, 2015 Thanks. Sure, this is the reference I had in mind. KOLARI THIN-STACK MOD ON A7II VS M240 — LEICA 50/1.4 SUMMILUX http://blog.kasson.com/?p=10967 It looks like their performance is neck to neck. That's probably a better description. To your second question. Yes indeed, as one would expect, with the Kolari modification native FE lenses can suffer. AFAIK only a few native lenses have been tested so far. A good summary of all the tests one can find here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1392833/0#13246128 Went through Jim's blog (link in your comment) and although 50lux is same in M240 and Kolari, the tiny 28 elmarit is vastly superior on M240 compari to Kolari. He says (for f/2.8) "The Leica is substantially better. It’s not great, but the Kolari image is unusable if corner sharpness is necessary." Kolari doesn't catchup till f/11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted October 20, 2015 Share #1840 Posted October 20, 2015 Went through Jim's blog (link in your comment) and although 50lux is same in M240 and Kolari, the tiny 28 elmarit is vastly superior on M240 compari to Kolari. He says (for f/2.8) "The Leica is substantially better. It’s not great, but the Kolari image is unusable if corner sharpness is necessary." Kolari doesn't catchup till f/11 A thin sensor stack is not the only thing Leica is doing: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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