The ideal two lens kit... 35mm f2 + ...

[KanzaKruzer]

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On 9/20/2015 at 8:55 PM, KanzaKruzer said:

For the M240, I am moving back to two lenses, the 35/1.4 and 50/2. Sold my 21/3.4 and selling my 90/2 on FM. Taking the funds and buying a two lens kit for an A7sII including Batis 25/2 and Batis 85/1.8. Plan to carry the M240 with the 50/2 attached and the A7sII with the 25/2 attached. Lets me enjoy the OVF with the M240 while gaining low light and autofocus capability with the A7sII. May shoot with the M240 and 35/1.4 paired with the A7sII and 85/1.8 on occasion. Hopefully the two body solution will work better for me. Never liked the M240 EVF.

In 2017 I sold all the above and bought a GFX system. My two lens setup now is a full frame equivalent of 35mm and 63mm.

FUJIFILM GFX 50R, GF45mm f/2.8 and GF80mm f/1.7

[capo di tutti capi]

I would only take one lens. 21 mm. I have five 50mm lenses, and they're all in the box right now. There are instructions online on how to shoot with a wide-angle lens. Step by step. Even the portraits. A wide angle makes the image more voluminous due to the perspective

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The original question implies the ideal two-lens kit for 35-mm format rangefinder should be a 35 mm plus one other lens. I disagree. Instead, I'd suggest the ideal two-lens kit for 35-mm format rangefinder should be a 35 mm or a 50 mm lens, and then another.

Of course, it might be 35 mm and 50 mm. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I prefer ... even though many might object and say they're too close; it should be 28+50 or 35+75 or 35+90 or whatever. Sure—35 mm and 50 mm are pretty close to each other, yet they work perfectly fine as a two-lens kit for me. But then, 28+50 also does. And 35+75 does, too. And I might even do with 21+35 or 21+50, at times ... in any case, a 90 mm lens, for me, would always be part of a three-lens kit.

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If you know how a wide angle works, you don't need narrow lenses anymore. You can create impressive portraits with what's around you. You can shoot everything at all. This is what the maestro says on leicadays

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb capo di tutti capi:

If you know how a wide angle works, you don't need narrow lenses anymore. You can create impressive portraits with what's around you. You can shoot everything at all. This is what the maestro says on leicadays

How does it work? What do you refer to when you write about maestro or online instructions?

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[lct]

Cropping maestro? Just kidding.

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Do you know a leica fan - Mrleica Matt Osborne? He has many tests for the leica technique. You can do the composition the same way. https://mrleica.com/xpan/

My apologies, unfortunately, we cannot talk about non-leica photographers here.

There is also a video from leicashooter

https://youtu.be/caKcktLQFW8

 

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Google it

"How to Make an Awesome Wide Angle Lens Portrait "

“wide angle fashion photography“

You can find many lessons and even videos

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I advise you to use a wide-angle lens for as long as possible. This will teach you to see the background. Use it to choose the most beautiful and correct places. Keep track of every small detail in the photo. Create the foreground, middle, and background. Create depth and volume. Control distortion. Control the camera tilt. Your level of development will become more powerful. In the future, it will be useful for any lens. Yesterday I was looking for a place for a night photo shoot. I took 21 mm and 50 mm. It is very tempting to take all the photos on 50 mm. But portraits in bokeh are the easiest and not the most interesting way. It is much more interesting to find a background to create a mood. So that through the photo you can, for example, feel the smell of the evening coolness after a hot day, the smell of French fries, the taste of expensive wine and delicious cheese, the noise of cars, the dynamics of the city. A wide-angle lens teaches you to see. It is a powerful development tool.

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[a.noctilux]

7 minutes ago, Steven said:

Where can wee see some of your own wide angle work ? 

Maybe here ?

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8 minutes ago, Steven said:

Where can wee see some of your own wide angle work ? 

I have 18 years of photography subjects for advertising and catalog. And I would be very grateful for such advice at the beginning of my career. It is very important to be able to do the things that I listed in the last post. 50mm 75mm 90mm is too simple and will not teach you how to create the front layer, middle layer and background on the photo. But if you can do it, your photos will be cool at 75mm and 90mm

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The wide-angle lens is the best for studying. Including for a professional.

[vhfreund]

The ideal set of lenses is a freuquently asked question because there is no anwer ! This question is absolultely pointless. Shoot with the lens which matches your vision and taste. Get familiar with it and shoot only this lens. This will save a ton of cash.

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3 hours ago, Steven said:

Where can wee see some of your own wide angle work ? 

 

As I said, yesterday I was looking for a place for a portrait shoot at night. Test shot without additional light on Voigtlander 21mm f3.5 VM. I plan to come with flashes. To better highlight the outline. I also saw a motorcycle nearby. I want to ask the owner to put it in the background

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Now 50mm. If I want to do what I have planned and fit everything into the frame, I have to move further away. But right in front of the model is a pillar with a light, a tree and a bush. If the model is moved further away from the post, then I will not have enough light. In addition, the 75mm lens distorts the image less and makes it less dynamic. I'm not saying that other focal lengths are bad. But if the conditions are for everything - I would take a wide-angle lens. He will save you in any situation. If there are 2 lenses at a critical moment, you will not be able to decide which lens to shoot with, and you will miss the frame. I find it difficult to find a frame for two focal lengths at once and think through the composition to the smallest detail when I go for a walk. This is my opinion.

Thanks to the lessons, you know how to shoot with a wide-angle lens. There are no such instructions for telephoto lenses. 

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If the camera with 21mm was less noisy it would look like this

50мм 2,0 R

 

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This is a thread about 2 lens kits but your nice pics above pretty well demonstrate why some people prefer 21mm and others 50mm. Unless your model has protruding eyes, lips and nose tip, your second pic looks more natural to me. Would be interesting to show both pics w/o cropping BTW but perhaps you could open a new thread for that.

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41 minutes ago, lct said:

This is a thread about 2 lens kits but your nice pics above pretty well demonstrate why some people prefer 21mm and others 50mm. Unless your model has protruding eyes, lips and nose tip, your second pic looks more natural to me. Would be interesting to show both pics w/o cropping BTW but perhaps you could open a new thread for that.

The photo is cropped only at the top and bottom for the movie format. Different focal lengths are used in movies. Maybe you like it better because the lighting is different. The contour light worked better. Less noise. One leica ambassador said-the older I get, the wider the angle I use. From the last trip to Paris, I did not bring any good photos because I looked with the eyes of 50mm lens. I didn't see everything around me. You also don't need a "portrait" lens if you don't have young girls in the frame.

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43 minutes ago, Steven said:

Thanks for posting examples. Nice pics. I enjoy watching them, but I dont think I would have enjoyed making them at all. As far as I'm concerned, I still think that 35 is the lens that can do everything (that my vision requires). It's by far the most versatile of all them. The 35mm focal length not only produces my favourite images, it also produces my favourite images from other photographers. I'm heavily attracted towards photography styles produced by 35s. Take the example of Alan Schaller. I enjoy his photos, but the perspective is too wide and I dont feel drawn. Webb, or Alan Harvey, on the other hand, I am immediately feel comfortable and at home with their photography. I dont say 35 is the right way. I just say everybody has their right way, and while I know many great 21mm photographers,  it's not for everyone. 

As a matter of fact, my two lens kit, since this thread is about this, is two 35. One mandlerish, one more modern. The widest I like to shoot is 28. 

P.S. I don't fully agree with needing to shoot wide to understand longer focal lengths. However, I do believe in the benefit of choosing one focal length and sticking to it, to master it, and become a better photographer in the process. 

Thanks everyone for the good feedback. Yes, everyone has their own tasks. After all, we're just talking here over a glass of wine. And I tell my story. You tell your story. The funny thing is that there are 7 films in the refrigerator for a year now, and I don't know what to shoot with a 50mm lens. Even 28 mm is too narrow for me.

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Maybe you like it better because the lighting is different.

I like it better because the perspective is different. 50 vs 21mm. Old story. Was even 50 vs 35 mm in the old days  when a 50mm shooter like HCB used to say that the wide angle "shouts". Nobody's right or wrong. It is just a matter of tastes as always in matter of photography.