jaapv Posted July 11, 2015 Share #281 Posted July 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Software should be able to influence tolerance and acceptance spans. However, the shutter will always come from the same supplier: Copal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M240 FW. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
tntrue Posted July 11, 2015 Share #282 Posted July 11, 2015 After updating the firmware yesterday morning, I noticed the following differences: 1. Battery life seems to be shorter. Yesterday a fully-charged battery was exhausted after about 3 hours and 100 frames shot--without the LCD being used, with EVF being used, with auto shutoff at 2 minutes, and with minimal chimping. Today I switched the camera off between each series of shots and managed to get 4 hours and 120 frames. Prior to the update this manner of use would have drained two or three bars, max. 2. Twice yesterday and twice again today the EVF went black, and four times today it went dim. In all but one instance, this was remedied by switching the camera off and switching it back on again. The other time I had to remove and replace the battery. 3. Once today without any apparent cause, and unrelated to any aforementioned glitch, the camera reset itself to the default settings. I realized it when I reviewed a shot and saw that it was a .jpg, as I normally shoot .dng only. ISO was reset to auto, EV was reset to 0, lens detection was reset to automatic and direct EV adjustment (with the thumbwheel only) was reset to off. For me, at least, this firmware update turned a generally reliable workhorse into somewhat of a question mark. This and some prior firmware issues with the T leave me wondering if Leica has a grasp on the electronics aspect of production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2015 Share #283 Posted July 11, 2015 Some M240 bodies having supposedly the same hardware have never got the least lock-up since 2013. The fact that such lock-ups can be fixed (again supposedly) by a firmware update suggests that the problem does not lie on components but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2015 Share #284 Posted July 11, 2015 [...] 3. Once today without any apparent cause, and unrelated to any aforementioned glitch, the camera reset itself to the default settings. I realized it when I reviewed a shot and saw that it was a .jpg, as I normally shoot .dng only. ISO was reset to auto, EV was reset to 0, lens detection was reset to automatic and direct EV adjustment (with the thumbwheel only) was reset to off. [...] May i ask if you were in LV mode when this reset occurred? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted July 11, 2015 Share #285 Posted July 11, 2015 Software should be able to influence tolerance and acceptance spans. However, the shutter will always come from the same supplier: Copal. Generally, barring electronic faults such as faulty ram chips etc, lockups occur when hardware behaves in a way programmers do not anticipate. If for example the shutter takes an extra 50ms to cock than it is supposed for whatever reason, the software could well freeze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tntrue Posted July 11, 2015 Share #286 Posted July 11, 2015 May i ask if you were in LV mode when this reset occurred? Yes, I was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 11, 2015 Share #287 Posted July 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmm, what happened to high ISO banding? Is it my imagination or is it almost completely gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 11, 2015 Share #288 Posted July 11, 2015 This is the first firm indication that the lockups are a software-hardware interaction, which would explain why some users have them and others don't. No it isn't. Many users sent their camera in, and when they got it back they still had lockups. The fact that some users don't have lockups and others do can simply be explained with different usage patterns. And about changes in hardware components, manufacturers can choose amongst many different but equivalent components, all within spec tolerance. This is perfectly normal for any device of any brand. The "bad components" myth can simply be ruled out by the fact that cameras from any production batch do lockup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvolio Posted July 11, 2015 Share #289 Posted July 11, 2015 Hmmm, what happened to high ISO banding? Is it my imagination or is it almost completely gone? Is this correct ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 11, 2015 Share #290 Posted July 11, 2015 Is this correct ? Not sure yet. Could be wishful thinking. I will try to shoot some tests tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvolio Posted July 11, 2015 Share #291 Posted July 11, 2015 I would be very interested. It's the one thing that the M240 seems to struggle with at higher ISO's ..even my previous M9 seemed to deal with darker underexposed areas better than the M240.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 11, 2015 Share #292 Posted July 11, 2015 I would be very interested. It's the one thing that the M240 seems to struggle with at higher ISO's ..even my previous M9 seemed to deal with darker underexposed areas better than the M240..Sorry for the false alarm. I compared with my high ISO shots before the FW update and for some strange reason I can't see any banding either. So it's not the FW, but somehow my camera seems to have cured itself from banding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2015 Share #293 Posted July 11, 2015 No it isn't. Many users sent their camera in, and when they got it back they still had lockups. The fact that some users don't have lockups and others do can simply be explained with different usage patterns. And about changes in hardware components, manufacturers can choose amongst many different but equivalent components, all within spec tolerance. This is perfectly normal for any device of any brand. The "bad components" myth can simply be ruleLeica gave the poster the choice d out by the fact that cameras from any production batch do lockup. Leica gave the poster the choice between a shutter replacement and a firmware update.... :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 11, 2015 Share #294 Posted July 11, 2015 3. Once today without any apparent cause, and unrelated to any aforementioned glitch, the camera reset itself to the default settings. I realized it when I reviewed a shot and saw that it was a .jpg, as I normally shoot .dng only. ISO was reset to auto, EV was reset to 0, lens detection was reset to automatic and direct EV adjustment (with the thumbwheel only) was reset to off. The camera resets all of your user settings when you update. While shooting it is easy to move back to the default setting from a user setting. The default is jpeg from Leica. I will add, I have not updated (I am still on .15 FW) as I have only had a couple lock-ups in almost two years. This update doesn't offer anything for me and I have the 58 flash so no help here, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 11, 2015 Share #295 Posted July 11, 2015 I've updated to 2.0.2.5 but my M240 still reports the firmware as 2.0.1.7. If I try and run the update again it reports "Update Done". Anyone else have this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted July 11, 2015 Share #296 Posted July 11, 2015 I've updated to 2.0.2.5 but my M240 still reports the firmware as 2.0.1.7. If I try and run the update again it reports "Update Done". Anyone else have this problem? Honestly, This doesn't sound possible.I say this because the firmware load replaces vs updates the existing firmware. you could run any version of the firmware you loaded/wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2015 Share #297 Posted July 11, 2015 There have been two "2.0.2.5" FW files uploaded by Leica: - a false one dated 16 June 2015 (8,131,619 bytes); it is in fact a 2.0.1.7 FW file renamed as 2.0.2.5 for testing purpose. - the true one dated 08 July 2015 (8,188,580 bytes). I would check that you've downloaded the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tntrue Posted July 11, 2015 Share #298 Posted July 11, 2015 The camera resets all of your user settings when you update. While shooting it is easy to move back to the default setting from a user setting. The default is jpeg from Leica. I will add, I have not updated (I am still on .15 FW) as I have only had a couple lock-ups in almost two years. This update doesn't offer anything for me and I have the 58 flash so no help here, either. As I indicated in my post, the reset of shooting settings occurred well after I had updated the firmware and had already restored my shooting setting preferences. Interestingly, the time and date were not reset in this instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 12, 2015 Share #299 Posted July 12, 2015 I am leaving any update until I know the FW is OK. Does that make sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted July 12, 2015 Share #300 Posted July 12, 2015 I am leaving any update until I know the FW is OK. Does that make sense? Some organisations that I consult to, deploy an n-1 or n-2 methodology to maintain operational capabilty. So you are not alone in your actions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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