jaapv Posted June 16, 2015 Share #161 Posted June 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Posts have been deleted, one member has received a warning. I would remind our members that fighting, personal attacks and derogatory remarks are not allowed on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edwardkaraa Posted June 16, 2015 Share #162 Posted June 16, 2015 But if you prefer to compare M-mount lenses, just compare a Summilux 35 with the ZM 35/1.4. I'm not sure that's a good example. This is a case where the Japanese made budget lens (by Leica pricing standards) outperforms the German made one on every aspect including resolution, control of aberrations, out of focus rendering, local contrast, field flatness, you name it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 16, 2015 Share #163 Posted June 16, 2015 It is a good example of compromises camera makers can avoid when size is not an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 16, 2015 Share #164 Posted June 16, 2015 It is a good example of compromises camera makers can avoid when size is not an issue. While the distagon is undoubtedly larger than the lux, it cannot be considered a large lens, especially that it is relatively light and has a filter size of 49mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted June 16, 2015 Share #165 Posted June 16, 2015 Does the thread starter read the answers still? Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 16, 2015 Share #166 Posted June 16, 2015 While the distagon is undoubtedly larger than the lux, it cannot be considered a large lens, especially that it is relatively light and has a filter size of 49mm. Matter of tastes i guess. As much as i like my "C" Zeiss lenses, i will never use a 35 as bulky as a 90 on a rangefinder but it's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiepphotog Posted June 16, 2015 Share #167 Posted June 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Matter of tastes i guess. As much as i like my "C" Zeiss lenses, i will never use a 35 as bulky as a 90 on a rangefinder but it's just me. Or you can just think of it as a 90 with a bigger view in the VF . Similar bulk to the Lux 21 and 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 16, 2015 Share #168 Posted June 16, 2015 Similar bulk to the Lux 21 and 24. I will never use these otherwise superb monsters either. Or you can just think of it as a 90 with a bigger view in the VF... Not that bigger given the VF blockage... Thanks no thanks but it's just me again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 20, 2015 Share #169 Posted June 20, 2015 It is a good example of compromises camera makers can avoid when size is not an issue. Perhaps, but it is also a good example of what an excellent lens should cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 20, 2015 Share #170 Posted June 20, 2015 If you mean an excellent big lens i agree but we are not in Leica world anymore then and i'm not interested personally but YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 20, 2015 Share #171 Posted June 20, 2015 Obviously different priorities. Size vs performance and price. I went for performance and price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted June 20, 2015 Share #172 Posted June 20, 2015 Zeiss lenses are outstanding... But most of the ZM lenses are made in Japan by Cosina. I can tell you from experience that quality control is hit or miss, and when your grease dries out two years after purchase, you have to pay for servicing. That left a bad taste in my mouth as far as the M mount Zeiss lenses are concerned... This was my experience with a Zeiss 21 Biogon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 21, 2015 Share #173 Posted June 21, 2015 Obviously different priorities. Size vs performance and price. I went for performance and price. So did I. And regretted it because as BerndReini mentions above, the mechanical precision and quality control is lesser. However, optically it renders nicer than the Summilux FLE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 21, 2015 Share #174 Posted June 21, 2015 Do you mean it renders different than the Summilux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted June 21, 2015 Share #175 Posted June 21, 2015 Leica make some of the few products that I still really love and that don't feel completely disposable. If a big part of it is myth, then so be it. I buy so much stuff that I do not feel any emotional attachment to, so I don't feel ripped off by Leica when I pay a premium over Zeiss's "Made in Japan" -line. I just had to spend a huge chunk of change on upgrading my Apple laptop and my iPhone 5 is on its last legs. You want to talk about a rip-off? Oh yeah, if you want to use iTunes, you have to upgrade your operating system. Nothing will actually work better, but your computer and phone will be slower. Anyway, I digress. A good percentage of us buy Leica products because we can. They make wonderful products and I would much rather use a Leica lens on my Leica camera and support the only camera manufacturer that actually makes a digital rangefinder camera currently. I did a shoot at a famous brewery once and I saw that they actually brewed beers from many other makers. I asked the brewmaster: "True or false, beer is all about marketing." He looked at me and answered: "Everything is all about marketing." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 21, 2015 Share #176 Posted June 21, 2015 Do you mean it renders different than the Summilux? No I mean the Distagon renders better. It is flatter (fewer spherical aberrations, less distortion). The focus fall off is faster, and the bokeh is smoother and more pleasing. Sharpness and contrast is about the same. The Distagon is the best 35mm I've ever used. However I am using the Summilux, it's smaller. The Distagon had some mechanical issues, mount too tight it was brassing and marking the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 21, 2015 Share #177 Posted June 21, 2015 My distagon is mechanically fantastic. No such issues but it's true that on a couple of my ZM the mount is a touch too tight. I look at my ZM as disposable. They cost 1/3 the price of the equivalent Leica and often perform optically better. I've never had any mechanical issues with any, no wobble or front parts falling off like it often happens with the lux 50 or cron 28, but if I do I have no problem tossing the lens in the garbage and getting a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted June 21, 2015 Share #178 Posted June 21, 2015 Overall, I prefer Leica, but I prefer Zeiss prices. Due to the price, I therefore sometimes prefer Zeiss. Both are superb and give us options. Aren't we lucky? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 21, 2015 Share #179 Posted June 21, 2015 Cosina makes lenses not only for Zeiss but for Voigtländer as well and some CV lenses are very good indeed. Great to have such a choice for sure. It is a major reason of the success of M bodies and Leica would better think twice before replacing the M mount by anything else IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_61 Posted June 21, 2015 Share #180 Posted June 21, 2015 I replaced my two Zeiss lenses (50 and 35 f2) with leica's. Three reasons: light leakages with long exposures, size and handling. Optically the Zeiss lenses were great, but they felt 'cheap' when focussing or changing the aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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