jaapv Posted May 3, 2015 Share #41  Posted May 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry, I meant to say: Carry a 21 instead of a 18 and 24 didn't check it as I posted I don't even have a 21. For some weird reason it is a focal length I do not care about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarkP Posted May 3, 2015 Share #42 Â Posted May 3, 2015 I really like 21mm but I've never gone wider than 21mm - perhaps it's time to take the plunge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted May 3, 2015 Share #43  Posted May 3, 2015 Fully agree with Jaap and C Danger.  Use 18 (or 24), 35, 50 and on up.  Have 28 on MATE and is least used.  Had 21 before.  Choice depends on subject and space in your environment.  Love rendering of the 24 as close to normal and so very useful meaning no WA distortion.  We we seem to have our own visual preferences that work for us if not others.  Which means OP has to make up his own mind.  Oh, once got M no longer use finder, though before getting very close to finder worked in less than critical times, and can use rear screen to confirm if needed (unless you've dispensed with for some purist non-sensical reason).  My 24 is Elmarit which is touch large in bag but noble performer for 15 years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnfell Posted May 3, 2015 Share #44  Posted May 3, 2015 There is nothing wrong with 24mm but there IS something "wrong" with most Leica Ms finders: they dont go wider than 28mm.  If you ask me, 24mm is the widest view where it still doesn't look like a wide lens. Put in other words: if you know how to shoot it you can maybe fool me into thinking a 24mm shot was made with 35. This is nice if, for example, you are making a series or photo-essay where you want the images to have a uniform look. With a 21mm you are going to work very hard if you don't want the lens to get in your pictures.  That said, I don't use my wonderful 24mm Elmarit as much as I should, but that is because I am lazy and don't want to fish out the external VF, and also because I also have 28/2 and 35/2 which are more versatile for the stuff that I shoot.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 4, 2015 Share #45 Â Posted May 4, 2015 I don't even have a 21 mm. For some weird reason it is a focal length I do not care about. Yeah ... isn't it strange how every photographer seems to have a focal length he or she doesn't come to grips with? For you it's 21 mm; for me it's 28 mm. Every focal length has a certain group of nofans who don't like it ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 4, 2015 Share #46  Posted May 4, 2015 And of course those (not) favored focal lengths can change when one changes sensor size (and FOV).  28 was my favorite focal length on the M8.2; not so much with the M240.   Reminds me of something Puts said in a recent article...  "It is by the way a rather curious phenomenon that the M8 camera was dismissed by many Leica owners as not suitable for the Leica lenses because of its smaller angle of view and now the new T-system (with a comparable sized sensor) is being acclaimed as a new option to use the Leica M lenses. Nothing as capricious as the human mind and the bandwagon effect."  (E. Puts)  Jeff    Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted May 8, 2015 Share #47 Â Posted May 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24 is a nice focal length, Â but I WOULD NOT SELL 35 to finance it. Â Â If you wish to visualize, Â it is 2x as wide and 2x as high as a fifty, i.e. a big jump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 8, 2015 Share #48 Â Posted May 8, 2015 the 50mm is the one sitting on the camera most of the time for me and the 90mm is the second most used. To complement the setup I need a WA other than the 35mm which I have and don't really like that much (it was a part of the deal when I got my M9-P). So I have to pick one out of 21,24,28 Â You don't intend to order an f/1.4 lens i suspect so if you're after a fast lens, the 28 is the only f/2 available. If f/2.8 is bright enough you have the choice between a (relatively) bulky 21/2.8 and 24/2.8, or the tiny 28/2.8 asph, so 28 is the winner gain. Now if 28 is not wide enough, choose a 21 because you won't resist to buy a superb Summicron 28 soon or late and you will find that 24 is too close from the latter then. YMMV of course, just my 2 cts . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 8, 2015 Share #49  Posted May 8, 2015   because you won't resist to buy a superb Summicron 28 soon or late.   Indeed  If I wanted to go wide from 90 and 50 it would be 28 next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted May 11, 2015 Share #50  Posted May 11, 2015 My 24 mm experience is in an SLR context; however though I wouldn't classify myself as more than a hobby photographer, this focal length seems to result in my more satisfying (and creative) pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carduelis Posted May 11, 2015 Share #51 Â Posted May 11, 2015 I do not think there is anything wrong with a 24 mm lens. On the contrary, with feeling the need for 35 and 50 mm lenses for more preferred natural perspective, I find it to be a useful focal length as I go wider below 35 mm. Â I do not miss a 28 mm lens and imagine that it is easier to control the perspective and when required, correct converging verticals with a 24 mm lens than it is with a 21 mm lens. Â I find that with the 24 mm Elmar lens, f8 and distance set at 5 m is always a safe bet for an expansive depth of field shot without missing focus at infinity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert-gregory Posted May 11, 2015 Share #52  Posted May 11, 2015 24mm is an acquired taste, but once you get your eye/mind used to it its a very versatile focal length. Its much easier to use then a super-wide like the 21mm, and when you need a very wide for interiors, landscape, closer in for people in their environments it fits the bill wonderfully. Its a quick ‘snapshot’ lens, and a lens you can also thoughtfully compose all the many elements of a wide scene with. When used in closer range you can ‘step into’ and fill the frame, for longer range it acts more like super-wide and you take in everything your natural eye sees.  Paired with a 50mm or/and a 35mm it makes a great set for rangefinder photography. Leica offers with the 3 past and present, speeds and size, the best 24mms ever offered.  I used a 24 Elmarit-R for many years, and was very happy when a M-series 24mm lens (the Elmarit which I had) was introduced. I now have a 24mm Summilux and its an amazing lens, speed for separation and available light, draws beautifully, optically superb at any distance and aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted May 12, 2015 Share #53  Posted May 12, 2015 There is nothing wrong with a 24mm lens unless what you need in a particular set of circumstances is a 21mm or a 28mm.  In my experience the problem with wide-angle lenses, say 28mm and below, is that with a typical subject for which such lenses are appropriate there are two parameters that must be satisfied. View point tends to be critical, verging on the hypercritical, primarily in order to control perspective distortion, so there is little scope for movement away from the ideal position. Having fixed the viewpoint it is then necessary to select a lens which gives the desired angle of view. I suspect that this is why Leica, and all other lens makers, offer a range of lenses each differing from the others by only a few millimetres.  It is, of course, possible to select a lens with a shorter focal length than that which would be ideal and then crop. But experience suggests that this is not entirely satisfactory as the perceived image quality tends to deteriorate surprisingly fast.  It has been known for a long time that there are visual perception effects associated with the large amount of very fine detail that such lenses inherently record. Pictures taken with wide-angle lenses tend to look sharper than they actually are. Perhaps with cropping the actual level of sharpness becomes more clear.       Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Juul Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share #54 Â Posted May 12, 2015 Would anyone have some extraordinary samples made with 24mm F2.8 ASPH? It could be interesting to see what to expect both in terms of normal wide angle shots, but maybe also shots of people and shots which show what kind of object isolation to expect. It would be appreciated ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted May 12, 2015 Share #55 Â Posted May 12, 2015 Would anyone have some extraordinary samples made with 24mm F2.8 ASPH? It could be interesting to see what to expect both in terms of normal wide angle shots, but maybe also shots of people and shots which show what kind of object isolation to expect. It would be appreciated ... Â You can find something here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/elmarit24mm/pool/ ...and some for Elmar here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/elmar24mm/pool/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted May 12, 2015 Share #56 Â Posted May 12, 2015 The odd focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 13, 2015 Share #57 Â Posted May 13, 2015 So, just to understand it fully: Can the 24mm Elmarit (55mm filter) effectively be used without an external viewfinder? Â Yes. I do, both on my M7 and M240, the later has Live View of course if you want to be more accurate in framing. Â As others have said, the 24 Elmarit ASPH is an absolutely incredible lens, across the whole frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 13, 2015 Share #58 Â Posted May 13, 2015 I think I'd like to try a 24mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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