CheshireCat Posted May 28, 2015 Share #221 Posted May 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3) It would be convenient if ISO had it's own dial like shutter speed does. Totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted May 28, 2015 Share #222 Posted May 28, 2015 Sorry... I wrote my post and then decided to remove (I realized that my opinion on T mount wasn't based on serious tech facts).. but with my surprised won't able to delete (a problem I hadn't yet adressed on the new forum : how can one delete his post ?) You genuflect towards Germany and beg a Moderator for forgiveness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted May 28, 2015 Share #223 Posted May 28, 2015 Higher ISO is all I ask for. Can be identical to the M240 just able to give the same quality I get currently at 1600 ISO but instead at 12,800. This would put it up against the M246's trump card of low light ability so I'm not sure that I will get my wish. A better EVF would also be good but I use this less & less so would settle just for the ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 29, 2015 Share #224 Posted May 29, 2015 how can one delete his post ? One cannot. You may wish to replace the wrong post by "deleted" as i did above, or anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 29, 2015 Share #225 Posted May 29, 2015 I would not be surprised if Leica were to release: A FF camera using a T-like body. Something that will accept both T and M lenses. Upgraded electronics improvements to keep up with advancements in this area (better processor, LCD etc.). External viewfinder brought up to current specs, and with a hotshot that will support future upgrades. Larger battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 29, 2015 Share #226 Posted May 29, 2015 Sorry... I wrote my post and then decided to remove (I realized that my opinion on T mount wasn't based on serious tech facts).. but with my surprised won't able to delete (a problem I hadn't yet adressed on the new forum : how can one delete his post ?) How can I delete my post? ... and other tips and hints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 29, 2015 Share #227 Posted May 29, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would not be surprised if Leica were to release … I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 29, 2015 Share #228 Posted May 29, 2015 Something like this might take the place of the optomechanical rangefinder, who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted May 29, 2015 Share #229 Posted May 29, 2015 In the Mirrorless Rumours illustration showing the top front of what could allegedly be a new Leica camera model, why would the traditional Leica 'red dot' be replaced by a largish screw head? Odd place to have a screw and why so large? Could it be a switch and if so what function might it have? …Maybe a battery housing cover? (Assuming it's a genuine image). dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 29, 2015 Share #230 Posted May 29, 2015 In the Mirrorless Rumours illustration showing the top front of what could allegedly be a new Leica camera model, why would the traditional Leica 'red dot' be replaced by a largish screw head? Because what they show is nothing but the top of the Leica M-P. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244424-the-next-speculation/?do=findComment&comment=2824117'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted May 29, 2015 Share #231 Posted May 29, 2015 Me showing my ignorance then … Apologies dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 29, 2015 Share #232 Posted May 29, 2015 No need to apologize. Always a pleasure to discuss with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 29, 2015 Share #233 Posted May 29, 2015 The M(240) is very good, years after its launch. The only improvement I expect is related to the processor, and this mainly because the EVF needs an update. I don't use it, so I don't really care, but I understand this is an improvement Leica will implement soon. There are many ideal improvements in the future, of course: a new sensor with some kind of electronic shutter for better actuation using live view (which I don't use expensively, so I don't care much), or a sensor with some kind of AF detectors for better focusing with the EVF... maybe a simpler interface at the back, with less buttons... But for a digital rangefinder, the current M is very, very good as it is, IMHO. A new fixed lens 24x36 camera needs all those improvements... but it is a product that would come too late. Sony did it years ago as a preparation for the 7s series and they captured all the potential market then. A new mount based 24x36mm system with AF lenses... I don't know if this is a good idea. I doubt it. It is the same concept of the T scaled to a larger sensor. But this implies expensive, large cameras and lenses with the problems of the T system (indistinct lenses)... A M mount based camera without rangefinder would be a great idea if the body is small and the price right (for use with current Leica M manual focus lenses). Those above mentioned improvements are mandatory because this is a pure electronic camera. The guts of this camera could be shared with the next version of the M. But I don't know if there is a market large enough for it. I ask myself why I use Leica and the answer is "Leica M lenses" (I just bought the Super-Elmar 21mm). These optomechanical marvels are the essence of Leica. The T or S systems are different things, with distinct personality in their own terms, a necessary complement for Leica's portfolio but... The stellar product is the M system of lenses (manual focus lenses). Widening and extending the support for those lenses would be a clever strategy. It is a niche market, but it does not imply you cannot extract more from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspider Posted May 29, 2015 Share #234 Posted May 29, 2015 I agree on the lenses, hence for me the most logical step would be to introduce a real hybrid viewfinder giving the camera the opportunity to work well with +135mm focal lenses. The new lenses would be a great opportunity for leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspider Posted May 29, 2015 Share #235 Posted May 29, 2015 Then I would not be surprised if it is an FF fixed lens camera? Would you Michael? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 29, 2015 Share #236 Posted May 29, 2015 The M(240) is very good, years after its launch. The only improvement I expect is related to the processor, and this mainly because the EVF needs an update. I don't use it, so I don't really care, but I understand this is an improvement Leica will implement soon. There are many ideal improvements in the future, of course: a new sensor with some kind of electronic shutter for better actuation using live view (which I don't use expensively, so I don't care much), or a sensor with some kind of AF detectors for better focusing with the EVF... maybe a simpler interface at the back, with less buttons... But for a digital rangefinder, the current M is very, very good as it is, IMHO. A new fixed lens 24x36 camera needs all those improvements... but it is a product that would come too late. Sony did it years ago as a preparation for the 7s series and they captured all the potential market then. A new mount based 24x36mm system with AF lenses... I don't know if this is a good idea. I doubt it. It is the same concept of the T scaled to a larger sensor. But this implies expensive, large cameras and lenses with the problems of the T system (indistinct lenses)... A M mount based camera without rangefinder would be a great idea if the body is small and the price right (for use with current Leica M manual focus lenses). Those above mentioned improvements are mandatory because this is a pure electronic camera. The guts of this camera could be shared with the next version of the M. But I don't know if there is a market large enough for it. I ask myself why I use Leica and the answer is "Leica M lenses" (I just bought the Super-Elmar 21mm). These optomechanical marvels are the essence of Leica. The T or S systems are different things, with distinct personality in their own terms, a necessary complement for Leica's portfolio but... The stellar product is the M system of lenses (manual focus lenses). Widening and extending the support for those lenses would be a clever strategy. It is a niche market, but it does not imply you cannot extract more from it. I really hope it isn't a Leica version of the Rx-1. That ship sailed long ago (as you say), and what could Leica do that is better/different to what Sony achieved. I I love the idea of a fully electronic M mount camera, taking existing M lenses, and as a future platform for AF M mount lenses. It would need to be priced competitively - ie, no more than 50% above the A7? I don't believe it will happen for a moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timde Posted May 29, 2015 Share #237 Posted May 29, 2015 I really hope it isn't a Leica version of the Rx-1. That ship sailed long ago (as you say), and what could Leica do that is better/different to what Sony achieved. I like the idea of the T body and UI, full frame, combined with a collapsing lens similar to what is on the Ricoh GR. So a really compact full frame camera which is something that does not exist so far in the market, not really sure that compares to the RX-1 in anything other than sensor size. Having only seen the T behind glass at the airport, I was really impressed at how good the body looked, with a collapsing lens it would really appeal in the same way that the Ricoh GR does to many people. I think Leica is the only company at the moment which could do that - they have the sensor, the body, the UI ... and the lens. Hard to believe that the T is all Leica had in mind for those new concepts ... pretty much everything they develop turns into 4 or 5 different cameras eventually. But I don't think there will be an autofocus M mount because the M mount requires a certain distance between the lens and sensor, and that distance places restrictions on the depth of the body. By using a new mount Leica can implement narrower body (Like the T) and support legacy M via adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 29, 2015 Share #238 Posted May 29, 2015 I wonder if such a new camera will take lenses similar to AF lens designs with the S system, but scaled down in size and price and perhaps not so exotic and therefore performing well like the Summarit lenses perform on the M, but are scaled down in price from M lenses. Just thinking out loud. Agree if it's an RX-1 copy fixed lens, then it's too little too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted May 29, 2015 Share #239 Posted May 29, 2015 One reason I decided not to buy an RX1 is that it vignettes the image - otherwise i'ts a beaut. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 30, 2015 Share #240 Posted May 30, 2015 I really hope it isn't a Leica version of the Rx-1. That ship sailed long ago (as you say), and what could Leica do that is better/different to what Sony achieved. I I love the idea of a fully electronic M mount camera, taking existing M lenses, and as a future platform for AF M mount lenses. It would need to be priced competitively - ie, no more than 50% above the A7? I don't believe it will happen for a moment. The glass-metal ratio of an AF lens is 50/50%, but a manual focus lens is 80/20%. AF lenses are larger. Look the Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 lens for Sony FE mount. The future wide angles will be huge too. Leica choose the APS-C format for the T system because it allows for a small set of lenses. You cannot have something like the current M system with AF lenses. I know manual focus lenses keep many people out of the M system, but they already have a system for AF lenses and 24x36 format (Sony's). Maybe Leica cannot offer something interesting in that segment (or niche, because all types of systems are niches now). This raises the old question about the demise of the R system. Did it failed because it was not an AF system or did it survived several decades because it was something different? Maybe the Japanese brands would have crushed the R system much earlier if Leica adopted AF lenses from the beginning... The M system is unique. It provides ultra-small lenses with the best optical quality for 24x36 format. None can match this. Only Leica does this. Manual focus is the price you have to pay for that privilege. (M cameras are a bit large and heavy, that is true, but because of the viewfinder/rangefinder and brass.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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