algrove Posted May 31, 2015 Share #261 Posted May 31, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I never said the S series was overpriced. I just pointed out that medium format is a whole different ball game with small series being the norm, thus spreading R&D over a smallish series of cameras is not abnormal. Correct, I said IMHO that the S system is overpriced for less than other MF compeition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted May 31, 2015 Share #262 Posted May 31, 2015 This time around, Sony and Leica are on the cutting edge and it's Canon and Nikon who are in trouble. Funny how history repeats isn't it? Other than the T, where is Leica on the cutting edge like Sony? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted May 31, 2015 Share #263 Posted May 31, 2015 Perhaps very short range wireless for communicating with AF lenses in a M mount? It's hard to see what technologies will be used in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #264 Posted May 31, 2015 I know you were not present at the announcement and official explanation by Leica. Do you really take a stuffed Dodo to bed instead of a Teddybear? There, I fixed that for you. Oh, and the S system is DSLR too, so you can draw your own conclusions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted May 31, 2015 Share #265 Posted May 31, 2015 Other than the T, where is Leica on the cutting edge like Sony? The M240, it is the worlds first mirrorless full frame camera with an EVF. It beat Sony. The M is both the past of cameras, and the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 31, 2015 Share #266 Posted May 31, 2015 Other than the T, where is Leica on the cutting edge like Sony? The strong point of Leica is this: The key is how good are those lenses considering the format and total dimensions of the lens!!!!! Leica has no competition here. If you need/want AF you have different options, but be prepared for software corrections, large barrels, etc. If you want the best optical quality in small size (body + lenses) for comfortable snapshot reportage... there is only one option, the Leica M system. It is expensive, and the lenses are manual focus, but you cannot have all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted May 31, 2015 Share #267 Posted May 31, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) And I understood Leica lenses were built to resist tropical heat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 31, 2015 Share #268 Posted May 31, 2015 The M240, it is the worlds first mirrorless full frame camera with an EVF. It beat Sony. The M is both the past of cameras, and the future. An external EVF is not cutting edge IMHO. Keep in mind the Sony a7 range of cameras are mirrorless AND have a built-in EVF versus a bump on a flat surface. Rosuna- No argument from me about the quality of Leica glass. I own plenty and love them. It is just that as the Sony a system develops and Zeiss keep offering cutting edge technologies for that system with superb lenses, it will be hard for our company to stay on the edge of the fence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timde Posted May 31, 2015 Share #269 Posted May 31, 2015 The strong point of Leica is this: If you want the best optical quality in small size (body + lenses) for comfortable snapshot reportage... there is only one option, the Leica M system. It is expensive, and the lenses are manual focus, but you cannot have all. Zeiss Loxia ... you might have missed it? There are now two options, one is significantly cheaper than the other. The time where Leica was the only option are now gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #270 Posted May 31, 2015 The time that Leica was the only option never existed. Leica and Zeiss have been playing their game of optical leapfrog for more than 75 years...Not to mention manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, Konica and a host of small firms over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 31, 2015 Share #271 Posted May 31, 2015 Zeiss Loxia... bigger than ZM lenses no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted May 31, 2015 Share #272 Posted May 31, 2015 An external EVF is not cutting edge IMHO. Keep in mind the Sony a7 range of cameras are mirrorless AND have a built-in EVF versus a bump on a flat surface. I know this I've owned a Sony A7 and it does have quite a bump where it's viewfinder is. The experience for the end user with the camera, is near exactly the same as a M240 with the EVF. The M240 is the worlds first full frame mirrorless camera with an EVF, it beat Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 1, 2015 Share #273 Posted June 1, 2015 I know this I've owned a Sony A7 and it does have quite a bump where it's viewfinder is. The experience for the end user with the camera, is near exactly the same as a M240 with the EVF. The M240 is the worlds first full frame mirrorless camera with an EVF, it beat Sony. Beating Sony does not mean that they offer what the Sony does. If you own an A7 then you know what I mean. a7II IBIS, better CMOS sensor and interface, sensor cleaner, more data available on EVF, AF and MF, small Zeiss Loxia MF lenses, Bastis Zeiss AF lenses, ¼ the price of the M and it can use many M & R lenses. Since most digital cameras become disposable sooner than later, why not spend $1500 on an a7II than $6000 on an M240? What made you buy the M240? It surely can't be for its cutting edge technology, that is for sure with its nearly 3-4 year old technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 1, 2015 Share #274 Posted June 1, 2015 The M240 with EVF is a mirrorless the same way as the M4 with Visoflex was an SLR camera. Better define them as rangefinders with some TTL capabilities IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share #275 Posted June 1, 2015 The M240 with EVF is a mirrorless the same way as the M4 with Visoflex was an SLR camera. Better define them as rangefinders with some TTL capabilities IMHO. " SLRs. If anything, the Visoflex 1 and its predecessors were In its time the Visoflex was no better nor worse than some "real" SLRs. If anything, the first iterations were revolutionary and ahead of the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 1, 2015 Share #276 Posted June 1, 2015 Been there my friend, reason why i said the M4 not the M3... There was not more competition between M4 and Nikon F than between M240 and ful frame DSLRs or mirrorless cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 1, 2015 Share #277 Posted June 1, 2015 Beating Sony does not mean that they offer what the Sony does. If you own an A7 then you know what I mean. a7II IBIS, better CMOS sensor and interface, sensor cleaner, more data available on EVF, AF and MF, small Zeiss Loxia MF lenses, Bastis Zeiss AF lenses, ¼ the price of the M and it can use many M & R lenses. Since most digital cameras become disposable sooner than later, why not spend $1500 on an a7II than $6000 on an M240? What made you buy the M240? It surely can't be for its cutting edge technology, that is for sure with its nearly 3-4 year old technology. The M240's sensor is very clean and though not in the league of the A7R, is comparable to the A7, and it's performance with M lenses is much better with it's lack of an AA filter and it's micro lenses design. The interface on the M240 is simpler and much more usable, tougher and better built. And much more fun to use and hold in the hands. Perfect optics mixed with Rangefinder, I find it makes it easier to find and get the shot you wanted. Moving between the A7 and M240 feels like going from a Toyota Corolla to a Porsche 911. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 1, 2015 Share #278 Posted June 1, 2015 At least we did not use our M4 the same way as Nikons then. Nowadays, some photogs expect digital Ms to behave the same way as their "Kalach-Nikons"... No wonder why they have lock up problems... The next M will be closer to Sonys i suspect but i'm not sure i will like that at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 1, 2015 Share #279 Posted June 1, 2015 Moving between the A7 and M240 feels like going from a Toyota Corolla to a Porsche 911. A 911 running like a Beetle then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 1, 2015 Share #280 Posted June 1, 2015 A 911 running like a Beetle then The A7 is a Corolla that runs like a 911. The quality of the files I get out of the M240 are quite exceptional and are much better than what I get out of my Canon 5D Mark III. In terms of Low ISO noise and landscape long exposures at least, High ISO is a different story. The files I get out of the M240, in practise the quality is pretty close to what I get out of the A7R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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