wlaidlaw Posted June 8, 2015 Share #441 Posted June 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, my passion for M9 is almost dissapering despite its great camera anyway. But... Ok, you can imagine what i feel Sorry to hear that. Are you going to give up on the M9 and get a refund or exchange for another M240? I have to admit to barely using my M9 nowadays. In addition to my M240, I use my M8 for infrared photography and my M4 for black and white film more than I do my M9 now. I am going to wait until either they have a non-corroding sensor for the M9 or wait until the successor to the M240 comes out, hopefully with a much better EVF and part exchange my M9 for that. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EdwardM Posted June 8, 2015 Share #442 Posted June 8, 2015 Sorry to hear that. Are you going to give up on the M9 and get a refund or exchange for another M240? I have to admit to barely using my M9 nowadays. In addition to my M240, I use my M8 for infrared photography and my M4 for black and white film more than I do my M9 now. I am going to wait until either they have a non-corroding sensor for the M9 or wait until the successor to the M240 comes out, hopefully with a much better EVF and part exchange my M9 for that. Wilson To be honest I'am frustrated and don't know what to do... Its a brand new camera and i paid full price for it so i don't ready to pay another 3300 Euro for upgrade for another 240...That would be stupid decision. the question is - refund or exchange for another M9-P and live with that sensor issue forever. How the corrosion could appear on brand new camera? Now all explanations about wet and humid climatem sensor cleaning etc sounds like a b/s... Sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 8, 2015 Share #443 Posted June 8, 2015 Well, they have this fountain next door... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted June 8, 2015 Share #444 Posted June 8, 2015 Looks like:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 8, 2015 Share #445 Posted June 8, 2015 To be honest I'am frustrated and don't know what to do... Its a brand new camera and i paid full price for it so i don't ready to pay another 3300 Euro for upgrade for another 240...That would be stupid decision. the question is - refund or exchange for another M9-P and live with that sensor issue forever. How the corrosion could appear on brand new camera? Now all explanations about wet and humid climatem sensor cleaning etc sounds like a b/s... Sorry Surprised there are still new M9-P's around. Not all sensor's are affected yet so if you really like and want this model why not at least try another. If that one is also "bad" you can get refund then. If it is ok as it probably will be you can keep it in the knowledge that Leica have given a clear longterm commitment to support owners with sensor issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted June 8, 2015 Share #446 Posted June 8, 2015 the production date is 2011 so it was sitting somewhere in stock near the Leman lake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 8, 2015 Share #447 Posted June 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) To be honest I'am frustrated and don't know what to do... Its a brand new camera and i paid full price for it so i don't ready to pay another 3300 Euro for upgrade for another 240...That would be stupid decision. the question is - refund or exchange for another M9-P and live with that sensor issue forever. How the corrosion could appear on brand new camera? Now all explanations about wet and humid climatem sensor cleaning etc sounds like a b/s... Sorry Trade it for a Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted June 8, 2015 Share #448 Posted June 8, 2015 Agreed. But make sure it is the new MM2, that way you are using an identical platform, so no readjusting to different button layout, less good screen etc... plus any accessories and spare batteries etc are the same... AND no worries about future issues with the sensor. Buying a M9 series camera knowing that it will almost certainly need to go back at some point in the future for a sensor change and maybe having to wait for several months isn't something I would set myself up for... And I wouldn't want to buy a used one for the same reasons. Maybe someone who is very knowledgeable and reads this site may be a little more forgiving of the camera... especially if for some reason they like the CCD sensor... but you are narrowing down your potential future buyers if you ever decide to upgrade. So it will be harder to sell, other than on here, and the price will reduce accordingly. If I had an M9 I would be collecting the names of the signatories of the 'I love my CCD' petition and contacting them when I was ready to sell... ... now thats an idea..! Maybe that was the original reason for the petition... a list of potential customers!!!! :lol: (Mind you, I wonder how many would actually hand over the cash for one if offered one at a sensible price for the seller?) I think it is a no brainer. PX via the upgrade offer and buy a M246 or wait for the new M and upgrade then. Life is too short to end up with a potential can of worms - whether it will be supported by replacement sensors or not... it is still a trip away for a period when you should be using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 8, 2015 Share #449 Posted June 8, 2015 To be honest I'am frustrated and don't know what to do... Its a brand new camera and i paid full price for it so i don't ready to pay another 3300 Euro for upgrade for another 240...That would be stupid decision. the question is - refund or exchange for another M9-P and live with that sensor issue forever. How the corrosion could appear on brand new camera? Now all explanations about wet and humid climatem sensor cleaning etc sounds like a b/s... Sorry You can let Leica fix your camera. Your camera ought to be good for quite some time after that, and the only inconvenience is having to wait for your new acquisition. I understand your disappointment, but the only thing you're actually losing is some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted June 9, 2015 Share #450 Posted June 9, 2015 June 2011: One of my digital bodies is a Leica M9 which I bought brand new in a Leica shop in June 2011. The camera has been great until about half a year before the 2 year warranty expired the viewfinder display failed. Leica Solms has taken care of the repair under warranty and also at that time replaced the sensor for a new one under the program that started back then in regards of replacing defective sensors at no charge (I never saw in my photographs until that repair that the original sensor had any defects). Only about 3 months after the sensor replacement an issue appeared in images with small apertures what looked like a large scratch. The camera hardly had any use since the repair and just one standard sensor wet cleaning (as I do with professional materials for years with Nikon high end digitals, my Leica M8.2, EPSON RD-1, Leica MM, Leica S2, Mamiya ZD and others). The mark curiously does not resemble a straight line as it would do if caused by a wrongfully executed cleaning, but rather a bow shaped structure as would never happen during sensor cleaning with made to fit new sensor swabs I used until that point. September 2014: I brought the camera into Leica Wetzlar on the first opportunity in to have them inspect the sensor, honestly not knowing how this mark in the images could have been produced, yet excluding the possibility of a mechanical damage due to wrong cleaning as of the characteristics of the mark. Leica's response was to quote me a full cost sensor replacement at the cost of 1900,- EUR !!! As you might imagine I was very confused by this offer and strictly refused to have this work at that cost done to the camera as I do not see myself or any any circumstances under my control to have caused the issue (the camera as all my gear is treated very well, has at all times a lens mounted, is stored in a humidifier when not in use, has been cleaned professionally with appropriate professional high grade materials - I even inquired with a Leica technician at one of my visits to the factory what cleaning methods and materials were advised to be used and it has been stated to me that the use of a Pentax sensor stick and the use of IPA and sensor swabs is recommended and used by the factory). From that moment on I completely STOPPED ANY SENSOR CLEANING of ALL my Leica digital cameras (including M8.2, M9, MM, Leica S2). I keep cleaning my Nikon digital cameras (currently a Nikon D3, I use since ~2009 and a D800E I use for a year with none of these showing ANY defects, the same as my M8.2, which I use - and clean since ~2009). I kept using that Leica M9 occasionally from that moment on (mostly shooting fast lenses at wide apertures to mask the issue). Mai 2015: Now fast forward to Mai 2015, having used the "defective" sensor Leica M9 for another few months occasionally (without any cleaning whatsoever since the quoted costs of 1900,- EUR where presented to me and the camera having spent most of that time in humidified storage), I have used the camera again on a trip. To my horror when I came back from the trip, additional marks, similar in character but entirely in different orientation to the initial mark have appeared. The camera is now with these additional marks on each photograph, shot at smaller than ~f4 aperture in unusable condition to me and of course with substantially reduced resale value should I decide to let it go. The 1900 EUR quote was presented to me well before the entire Leica M9 sensor corrosion issue was made public and official statements have been issued. The situation is now different it appears, yet I am completely confused as of the status I am in now with this camera. Here is my questions: does anyone have a similar experience? How do typical marks on defective Leica M9 sensors look like? I know there are some sensors which show a "christalized" structure as a defect. Are there typical defects that fall under this issue that look more like bow shaped "lines" as in my case? I will see if I can upload a sample image after producing a proper test image later on. I am happy about any info or help in this matter as I am clearly not seeing why a repair on this well treated camera body should end up on my side in regard of how I treated this camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 9, 2015 Share #451 Posted June 9, 2015 Send it back to Leica and tell them to replace the sensor at no cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted June 9, 2015 Share #452 Posted June 9, 2015 Here is my questions: does anyone have a similar experience? How do typical marks on defective Leica M9 sensors look like? I know there are some sensors which show a "christalized" structure as a defect. Are there typical defects that fall under this issue that look more like bow shaped "lines" as in my case? Here's one mark on my M9P sensor (placed in the lower-left on the sensor), Leica is currently replacing it due to corrosion. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244082-leica-upgrade-program-for-m9-corrosion-of-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=2830671'>More sharing options...
lmitch6 Posted June 18, 2015 Share #453 Posted June 18, 2015 Here's one mark on my M9P sensor (placed in the lower-left on the sensor), Leica is currently replacing it due to corrosion. Mine is on it's way in for evaluation for a spot nearly the same as yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted June 21, 2015 Share #454 Posted June 21, 2015 I have just traded in my M9 to a M-P (240). I unpacked it and starting reading the instruction manual through the weekend. I hardly think I could have done a better deal selling my M9 - even if it had been top shape, to a better price. I think the deal was good. I am very impressed with my new M-P(240)! Some camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted June 22, 2015 Share #455 Posted June 22, 2015 My MM has been diagnosed with corrosion when I took it in to Wetzlar. I was offered an upgrade to an M246 but I can't justify the 3480€ they want to upgrade. I have asked them to replace the sensor and the clock started ticking today. I was told to expect a wait of 'up to 4 weeks' but I know how fluid these Leica estimates can be. Has anyone had a sensor replaced in Wetzlar recently? What was your waiting time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 23, 2015 Share #456 Posted June 23, 2015 I do know that CS is catching up with the backlog, with fewer new cases trickling in - fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Seeney Posted June 28, 2015 Share #457 Posted June 28, 2015 I just returned from a 3 week tour of Ireland and noticed odd marks. Took it into Leica Mayfair and they confirmed corrosion - m9 is now back with Leica. Leica Mayfair felt that wait times had improved recently and were asking for cameras to be sent straight away for the fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenmangu81 Posted June 29, 2015 Share #458 Posted June 29, 2015 I have just traded in my M9 to a M-P (240). I unpacked it and starting reading the instruction manual through the weekend. I hardly think I could have done a better deal selling my M9 - even if it had been top shape, to a better price. I think the deal was good. I am very impressed with my new M-P(240)! Some camera! You won't be disappointed !! I did the same 3 months ago, and I am very happy with the M-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted June 29, 2015 Share #459 Posted June 29, 2015 Here's one mark on my M9P sensor (placed in the lower-left on the sensor), Leica is currently replacing it due to corrosion. lower-left.jpg A hundred years ago that would have been convincing evidence for the existence of the Loch Ness monster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartie Posted June 29, 2015 Share #460 Posted June 29, 2015 Ive just part exchanged my M9 ( with severe sensor corrosion ) for a M240...............I must say I am delighted with the camera and also the images it produces.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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