fussgangerfoto Posted February 2, 2015 Share #1 Â Posted February 2, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, Â New to the forum, but not to Leica (M7 and M8 owner). Â I took the plunge on a new M240 with updated firmware and am a little vexed by the minimum shutter speed functionality when shooting in non-manual "A" mode with auto-ISO. Â Under SET>ISO>Automatic, I have the maximum exposure time set to 1/(2x focal length). I have a 50mm lens on the camera, but it's not 6-bit encoded. I have the Lens Detection set to manual and I've selected a 50mm lens (50 f/1.2 11820). With the shutter speed dial at "A", I would expect that the camera wouldn't select a shutter speed less than 1/100 unless the ISO was at the max, so why would it shoot at ISO 250 and a shutter speed of 1/45 seconds? Â Maybe I've been shooting Nikon and Fuji too long, but my experience suggests that the camera should assess lighting conditions for optimum exposure, if too low, it should lower shutter speed to the minimum, and then raise ISO if it still couldn't optimize the exposure. Â Am I missing something? Â Thanks for any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jedi996sps Posted February 2, 2015 Share #2 Â Posted February 2, 2015 :confused:I sometimes have the same thing happening with mine, and i have 6 bit encoded lenses and lens detection set to auto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 2, 2015 Share #3 Â Posted February 2, 2015 [...] Under SET>ISO>Automatic, I have the maximum exposure time set to 1/(2x focal length). I have a 50mm lens on the camera, but it's not 6-bit encoded. I have the Lens Detection set to manual and I've selected a 50mm lens (50 f/1.2 11820). With the shutter speed dial at "A", I would expect that the camera wouldn't select a shutter speed less than 1/100 unless the ISO was at the max, so why would it shoot at ISO 250 and a shutter speed of 1/45 seconds? [...] Welcome to the forum . You may wish to press "SET" twice after setting the "Maximum Exposure Time". Does this solve your problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso810 Posted February 3, 2015 Share #4 Â Posted February 3, 2015 Sometimes I have the same problem, also with 6 bit encoded lenses and auto lens detection enabled :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 3, 2015 Share #5 Â Posted February 3, 2015 Welcome to the forum . Did you try what i suggested above? (press "SET" twice after setting the "Maximum Exposure Time") Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfisherman Posted February 13, 2015 Share #6 Â Posted February 13, 2015 Yes I did but to no avail.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 13, 2015 Share #7 Â Posted February 13, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Did you unwittingly switch user profiles between shots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfisherman Posted February 19, 2015 Share #8 Â Posted February 19, 2015 Nope. Never use profile feature...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 19, 2015 Share #9 Â Posted February 19, 2015 Then try to une one, it should work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 19, 2015 Share #10 Â Posted February 19, 2015 It's happened to me as well. TBH I've just put it down as one of those little Leica quirks that shouldn't happen, but that don't get me wound up enough to follow it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted February 19, 2015 Share #11 Â Posted February 19, 2015 Did you set a maximum ISO? If you didn't the max auto ISO may be set at 250. Â Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Bedford Posted February 20, 2015 Share #12  Posted February 20, 2015 The "Maximum Exposure Time" is actually not a hard limit, but the maximum ISO is. This works the same way on the Fujifilm X100s.  What it actually means is the maximum exposure time until the Auto ISO is maxed out.  So if your exposure is 1/60 and maximum ISO is set to 3200, but your scene is one stop too dark, it won't go beyond ISO 3200 but instead will ignore the maximum shutter speed and go to 1/30s.  In other words, auto ISO won't allow the camera to underexpose despite setting the maximums on both settings. This obviously goes against what most people would expect. If I say don't go above 1/125th, it still does at the last resort anyway...  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfisherman Posted February 20, 2015 Share #13 Â Posted February 20, 2015 Make sense....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 20, 2015 Share #14 Â Posted February 20, 2015 Nick is quite correct, you do still have to pay attention to the light and your settings, but when the camera has run out of options it will override them to make sure you still get some sort of image. What would the option be, not allowing the shutter to fire when the limits have been exceed, now wouldn't that be frustrating with the shot of a lifetime? Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 20, 2015 Share #15 Â Posted February 20, 2015 Suffice it to set a shutter speed manually to be sure. Isos will still be chosen by the camera automatically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 20, 2015 Share #16  Posted February 20, 2015 Did you set a maximum ISO? If you didn't the max auto ISO may be set at 250. Gordon  I do - 6400 - but it still occasionally gets it wrong when ISO is less than the max. Never badly: 1/45th chosen with a 50mm lens. I just wondered if it ignored the "2x" and chose the nearest to 1/FL. But as I said, it hasn't worried me enough to investigate deeply. One day I'll screw up a critical shot and wish I'd been more pernicketty. On the other hand, if it was a critical shot I'd be shooting manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verendus Posted February 20, 2015 Share #17 Â Posted February 20, 2015 Hello, everyone, I think this is a major issue with Leica M240 or the latest firmware. I was pulling my hair out all week trying to figure this out, then posted it here this morning only to find out this is happening to others as well. Â The problem the OP mentioned is not about how Leica implemented AUTO ISO. I do understand how it's supposed to work. Max ISO is the hard limit, but shutter speed is not (in A mode), but in M mode, Shutter speed is the hard limit as well as ISO, and it will start underexposing once both reach the max. Â The real issue here is that M240 intermittently will refuse to change ISO and stay way under the MAX ISO set in the menu. It happens in A mode as well as M mode. What is even funny is that when this happens, flash symbol will appear in the VF. The camera thinks that there is a flash on, and will AUTO ISO will stop working. Â I thought it was my camera. I am still taking my camera to Leica store today, but I am now beginning to think that this is a firmware bug. I don't remember having this issue until I updated to 2.0.1.7. Â Can anyone else confirm this? The crazy thing is this happens intermittently. Believe it or not, it happens when I put my San Disk Extreme Pro 32GB 90MB/s cards. :-) I've never seen a camera brand that is so sensitive to SD cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jochiongv Posted February 28, 2015 Share #18  Posted February 28, 2015 Nick is quite correct, you do still have to pay attention to the light and your settings, but when the camera has run out of options it will override them to make sure you still get some sort of image. What would the option be, not allowing the shutter to fire when the limits have been exceed, now wouldn't that be frustrating with the shot of a lifetime? Steve  The option you allude to would not be the desirable...  IMHO, in the extreme conditions, the camera should simply take the shot at the limits set. If I failed to pay attention to the light conditions and camera settings, i.e.: it's really dark out there, then my capture will be under exposed... I can deal with that. (To me this is a lesser problem than having blurry shots due to camera shake...)  If the camera can "override" the limits I set, then I don't see the point of having those limits as settable parameters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jochiongv Posted February 28, 2015 Share #19 Â Posted February 28, 2015 Hello, everyone, I think this is a major issue with Leica M240 or the latest firmware. I was pulling my hair out all week trying to figure this out, then posted it here this morning only to find out this is happening to others as well. Â The problem the OP mentioned is not about how Leica implemented AUTO ISO. I do understand how it's supposed to work. Max ISO is the hard limit, but shutter speed is not (in A mode), but in M mode, Shutter speed is the hard limit as well as ISO, and it will start underexposing once both reach the max. Â The real issue here is that M240 intermittently will refuse to change ISO and stay way under the MAX ISO set in the menu. It happens in A mode as well as M mode. What is even funny is that when this happens, flash symbol will appear in the VF. The camera thinks that there is a flash on, and will AUTO ISO will stop working. Â I thought it was my camera. I am still taking my camera to Leica store today, but I am now beginning to think that this is a firmware bug. I don't remember having this issue until I updated to 2.0.1.7. Â Can anyone else confirm this? The crazy thing is this happens intermittently. Believe it or not, it happens when I put my San Disk Extreme Pro 32GB 90MB/s cards. :-) I've never seen a camera brand that is so sensitive to SD cards. Â This issue was present in FW 2.0.1.5 --when I first got my camera and I noticed, and remains in 2.0.1.7 --after repair/full update at Wetzlar, and I still notice. Â I found nowhere in the manual about Max AUTO ISO (set) parameter being a "hard" limit, and Max Exposure Time (set) parameter being a "soft" limit... If someone could point me to the right reference, I'd appreciate that. Â I also haven't yet figure how the algorithm, works... I've had shots where the Max ISO I set hadn't been reached, yet the Max Exposure Time had been exceeded... Â Oh well... until they revise how these limits are dealt with. I'm shooting in manual mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted March 3, 2015 Share #20  Posted March 3, 2015 Why would anyone let the camera automate both ISO and Sutter Speed variables? It seems like that's asking for dissatisfaction in the compromises that will be made by the camera's operating system for you. Expecting operational perfection in such a situation is naïve.  Auto ISO is most useful for the camera in manual mode with a known shutter speed, and the ISO being allowed to adjust to match the meter. That involves fewer compromises that might spoil an image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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