bocaburger Posted January 11, 2015 Share #61 Posted January 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Strangely enough, that's one of the things I like about the M. They show their age beautifully. I know some like pristine cameras but I love the battle scars on my old M9. I think those beat up old M3's you see in the auctions are gorgeous. They tell a story. They have some character. Like a well worn leather jacket or a Bellingham bag. My 240's seem to wear better than the M9. But I'll beat them up eventually. Gordon The thing is, an "old" M9 is a tenth the age of an old M3. I'm not analretentive but I dislike Leica's planned progeria. Or maybe what I dislike is what it seems to say about Leica's assumptions about it's customers. And whereas I never had any intention of selling/upgrading my M4's, it's not the same with digital where even 6-7 years is ancient technology. And most buyers who say they love the patina mean they love it when they get it to happen, not buying someone else's. So a worn-looking digital M has a substantially lower resale value. And I agree those old beat up M3's tell a story, but I'm not always certain what that story is. Maybe it's they were used in Vietnam by photojournalists. Or maybe it's they were just used for family vacation photos by some slob who had no sense of pride in ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted January 11, 2015 Share #62 Posted January 11, 2015 For me it's not about the resale value. I have tools, used in my original trade, that are from many many decades ago. They can still be used but that doesn't mean I want to use them today. They aren't made any more as their time is passed. They still work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 14, 2015 Share #63 Posted January 14, 2015 Joshua - it seems you forgot your shoelaces. Nice set up, BTW. After buying an M he cannot afford the luxury of shoe laces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted January 14, 2015 Share #64 Posted January 14, 2015 The thing is, an "old" M9 is a tenth the age of an old M3. I'm not analretentive but I dislike Leica's planned progeria. Or maybe what I dislike is what it seems to say about Leica's assumptions about it's customers. And whereas I never had any intention of selling/upgrading my M4's, it's not the same with digital where even 6-7 years is ancient technology. And most buyers who say they love the patina mean they love it when they get it to happen, not buying someone else's. So a worn-looking digital M has a substantially lower resale value. And I agree those old beat up M3's tell a story, but I'm not always certain what that story is. Maybe it's they were used in Vietnam by photojournalists. Or maybe it's they were just used for family vacation photos by some slob who had no sense of pride in ownership. This is nothing to do with Leica. We are in a new age, the digital age. Its not that things can't last longer, they can. My 2006 camera, 1980s computer and 1950s radio work fine. Its just that the pace of change has accelerated and therefore what people perceive as old. If you perceive your M9 as still fine for producing your photos then thats all you need. You don't need to be talked into by the flow/others to upgrade. Its rather head in the sand to think that Leica should manufacture for the next 50 years what it made 50 years ago. A few people would like it, the majority wouldn't and therefore there would be no Leica! Leica's USP is the simplicity, workflow and build. By definition it doesn't integrate all the latest bells and whistles into its products. It thinks carefully and weighs up each one against its credo. But where its useful to include it does and should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 22, 2015 Share #65 Posted January 22, 2015 I think we're approaching the point of diminishing returns where upgrades are not really based on technology improvements. We're about producing still photographic images - the M9 does that just fine,as does the M(240) apparently. We are in nothing like the situation with computers. I don't have a problem with Leica producing new models. I do have a problem with discontinued support for perfectly good cameras. I'm hoping that this problem will not arise with the M(240). It may be a vain hope, but it won't stop me expressing it. I was drafting electrical and mechanical supply contracts over 20 years ago which dealt with this specific issue - if a supplier stops supply (for whatever reason), then all stock, intellectual property, manufacturing files and equipment passes to the buyer so they can procure further supplies. To say the technology has moved on or the supplier gone bust is a poor excuse for a failure of supply management. This is not like a bulk Internet parts purchase - I'm hoping Leica has invested a lot more in its supply relationships (about continued supplies and future developments) Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKimelb1 Posted January 24, 2015 Share #66 Posted January 24, 2015 Not for a millisecond. I just bought my first leica (a M240) after using a Nikorrmat film camera for years and a Nikon D3200. This is greatly oversimplified but the M240 is much like my old Nikon in digital and has a great sensor and control. You lack auto focus. If you shoot low light and the subjects are moving (like kids) the Nikon is easier to use. I shoot with both bodies. My two cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 24, 2015 Share #67 Posted January 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not use them in Auto Shutter speed mode. The metering is not as sophisticated as the Nikon D800e, so some thought must be applied before you press the shutter. I agree with your post with the addition of one small niggle. True, the M9 takes a bit of getting used to the metering (off the shutter blades) and, I also shot the M9 mostly in manual mode. But, I would like to point out the M metering system (multi-field and spot) is very good and in the ball park with most DSLR cameras. It is my default when in LV. But, in the end I always seem to be shooting the M in classic mode because, it is so much faster and I don't miss shots. And, of course, I like the RF view unless shooting wide or deliberate. As to the question from the OP. Just buy the M. I seriously can tell from your post that it would be like finding an old friend. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 25, 2015 Share #68 Posted January 25, 2015 I had a go with the M240. Absolutely loved the look and the whole feel of a rangefinder. If I had any negatives to say is I didn't realise it would take so long to take another shot right after the first (unless I was doing something wrong). You probably had LV on. Next time turn off LV and you can pretty much shoot as fast as you can press the shutter button. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share #69 Posted January 29, 2015 You probably had LV on. Next time turn off LV and you can pretty much shoot as fast as you can press the shutter button. Rick I think it was down to the card the shop was using. It wasn't in Live View. Wanted to update everyone with my choice. As much as I loved the M240 when i had a go. I have decided to see what the next M holds. Instead I have bought an M6 TTL and Summilux 50mm 1.4 to get used to using a rangefinder more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfloid Posted January 29, 2015 Share #70 Posted January 29, 2015 The 6D is built like a toy, though. If you're going to compare then at least compare vs. a 5D Mark III. These sorts of comments are tedious. No doubt the 6D does not have the external build quality of the M240, but I bet the internal electrics and circuit boards are both more sophisticated and better put together. Sony technicians recently laughed their heads off when they dismantled a Leica M240 and saw the primitive and ungainly state of the wiring. Personally, I would be more concerned about the more important inside of the camera and its reliability than fetishising over its external build. We've already seen M9 sensors delaminating, all M cameras suffer from a lack of automatic sensor cleaning, and their processors are notoriously slow. Drool over external metal if you want, but my Leicas have been consistently more problematic than my 6 year old Canon 5DII, which has seen far, far harder use, but has never needed attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 30, 2015 Share #71 Posted January 30, 2015 I think it was down to the card the shop was using. It wasn't in Live View. The card wouldn't make a difference in the time it takes to take another shot. Again, you should be able to take several shots per second. Must have been something else. Congratulations on the M6ttl and 50mm/1.4. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 30, 2015 Share #72 Posted January 30, 2015 Sony technicians recently laughed their heads off when they dismantled a Leica M240 and saw the primitive and ungainly state of the wiring. What's the source of that story? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 3, 2015 Share #73 Posted February 3, 2015 Sony technicians recently laughed their heads off when they dismantled a Leica M240 and saw the primitive and ungainly state of the wiring. Hi Wolfloid Some of us are still waiting to see the prime source of that story; please provide so another myth is not perpetuated. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted February 4, 2015 Share #74 Posted February 4, 2015 It's just a myth. Someone said on this site yeas ago that Sony would have a laugh if they took apart an M8. It's just Chinese whispers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2015 Share #75 Posted February 4, 2015 These sorts of comments are tedious. No doubt the 6D does not have the external build quality of the M240, but I bet the internal electrics and circuit boards are both more sophisticated and better put together. Sony technicians recently laughed their heads off when they dismantled a Leica M240 and saw the primitive and ungainly state of the wiring. Personally, I would be more concerned about the more important inside of the camera and its reliability than fetishising over its external build. We've already seen M9 sensors delaminating, all M cameras suffer from a lack of automatic sensor cleaning, and their processors are notoriously slow. Drool over external metal if you want, but my Leicas have been consistently more problematic than my 6 year old Canon 5DII, which has seen far, far harder use, but has never needed attention. Wiring??? It is prints and flex leads in electronics. Wiring is in classic cars. I suppose they were high on Sake and mistakenly took apart an MGB... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted February 9, 2015 Share #76 Posted February 9, 2015 I would actually wish it used wiring. That would make it easier to DIY fix when original parts are no longer to be found. I'd take an old hand-wired tube amp any day instead of a modern transistor amp. The tube amp can be fixed easily over and over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torgian Posted February 9, 2015 Share #77 Posted February 9, 2015 "primitive wiring" haha. I laugh at that. I can repair wires easily. That said, I have experience repairing circuit boards on the microscope level, but that is hard! I'd rather have wires... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted February 9, 2015 Share #78 Posted February 9, 2015 I have not as yet read the post on this thread. But my first thought on reading the title was ....not if you go out and capture images with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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