JohannB Posted December 11, 2014 Share #41 Posted December 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) M-E December 2012 No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Hi JohannB, Take a look here M9 delamination survey. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Edward Louis Marit Posted December 11, 2014 Share #42 Posted December 11, 2014 MM yes One of the first purchased fall 2012 Sensor replaced 09/ 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 11, 2014 Share #43 Posted December 11, 2014 This ratio seems to be more or less consistent. With what? Within this survey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooder Posted December 11, 2014 Share #44 Posted December 11, 2014 M9 - NO Greetings from all happy M9 users who shoot pics and don't bother with surveys on internet forums ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted December 11, 2014 Share #45 Posted December 11, 2014 Which other camera manufacturer agrees to replace a sensor out of warranty? A camera manufacturer who has been ignoring a manufacturing defect for years maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted December 11, 2014 With what? Within this survey? With what I've seen from pertaining threads on various forums. Around 40-45% seem to be affected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 11, 2014 Share #47 Posted December 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) A camera manufacturer who has been ignoring a manufacturing defect for years maybe.But has only formalized a policy they have been following for years... (a decade if we count the Digilux2) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooder Posted December 11, 2014 Share #48 Posted December 11, 2014 Around 40-45% seem to be affected. Let's be precise: 40-45% users who read internet forums and take part on surveys like this. My "NO" answer is representing thousands of users who don't even search internet forums for infos about sensor problems because they don't have any :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIago Posted December 11, 2014 Share #49 Posted December 11, 2014 M9. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share #50 Posted December 11, 2014 Let's be precise: 40-45% users who read internet forums and take part on surveys like this. My "NO" answer is representing thousands of users who don't even search internet forums for infos about sensor problems because they don't have any :-) Let's be precise, my "yes" represents thousands of users in Thailand and southeast Asia who are not on this forum, but got a defective sensor nonetheless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 11, 2014 Share #51 Posted December 11, 2014 Let's be precise, my "yes" represents thousands of users in Thailand and southeast Asia who are not on this forum, but got a defective sensor nonetheless No, it does not. It represents only you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooder Posted December 11, 2014 Share #52 Posted December 11, 2014 Let's be precise, my "yes" represents thousands of users in Thailand and southeast Asia who are not on this forum, but got a defective sensor nonetheless I'm glad you agree with me, that surveys like this are pointless, because they represent a fraction of real world users ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted December 11, 2014 Share #53 Posted December 11, 2014 With what I've seen from pertaining threads on various forums. Around 40-45% seem to be affected. I read somewhere that over 40000 M9s have been sold. You 'survey' currently has around 40 responses. So the correct conclusion is that 40-45% of surveyed users, representing less than 0.1% of the entire user community, has this problem. Given that most of those 40000 users are happily shooting without problems, and that people with a problem will always have more of a voice on the Internet than those without one, I think you will find that it is a lot less than 40%. That's not going away from the fact that every sensor still has the possibility to run into this problem at some point in the future. But trying to come up with statistics based upon a statistically irrelevant sample is not the way to summarize the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted December 11, 2014 Share #54 Posted December 11, 2014 M9 - Yes. Bought in 2009, sensor replaced in August 2014. MM - bought 2 years ago - no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share #55 Posted December 11, 2014 No, it does not. It represents only you. Of course, otherwise I would have counted my vote as several thousands Back to seriousness, I do understand the limitations of such survey, and maybe it wasn't a good idea after all, judging from the negative interventions. Please feel free to delete it. Anyhow, now that Leica has spoken, all this talk becomes irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share #56 Posted December 11, 2014 I read somewhere that over 40000 M9s have been sold. You 'survey' currently has around 40 responses. So the correct conclusion is that 40-45% of surveyed users, representing less than 0.1% of the entire user community, has this problem. Given that most of those 40000 users are happily shooting without problems, and that people with a problem will always have more of a voice on the Internet than those without one, I think you will find that it is a lot less than 40%. That's not going away from the fact that every sensor still has the possibility to run into this problem at some point in the future. But trying to come up with statistics based upon a statistically irrelevant sample is not the way to summarize the problem. Guys, you're taking this survey way too seriously. No one is claiming anything. I don't need this survey to know that each and every M9 and variants sold in southeast Asia has had this problem. I also don't need it to know that in milder climates, less cameras seem to be affected. Anyhow, please mods, delete this thread. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotharZhou Posted December 11, 2014 Share #57 Posted December 11, 2014 no, M9P, checked a few days ago, apart from dust, nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchout72 Posted December 11, 2014 Share #58 Posted December 11, 2014 Yes, Silver Grey M9, sent in Jun 2014 - replaced free of charge - returned Oct. BTW, got the M240 while waiting for the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrico.pocopagni Posted December 11, 2014 Share #59 Posted December 11, 2014 Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted December 11, 2014 Share #60 Posted December 11, 2014 M9: no, just recently serviced Monochrom: not sure as when I sent it in for basic servicing under warranty a few months back NJ tried to charge me for a new sensor, saying it was user error (I've never touched it). I told them to just CLA and send back. But perhaps this was the problem after all and they weren't aware of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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