Manoleica Posted November 12, 2014 Share #101 Posted November 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Both Leica & Panasonic are said to be made on the same production line, quality control is supposedly higher & possibly the in camera processing of the Leica images has been tweaked!! -- I hope so.. The warranty, included LR & Leica service are the benefits we get for paying a Premium..Maybe being as we use Leica's we take a little more care about our photography.. My Nikons (DSLR's) are superb, my Leica's produce the results I expect.. Horses for courses..........I myself am happy to pay the Leica premium.. If it's all in the mind, so be it........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Hi Manoleica, Take a look here D-Lux type 109 or Panasonic LX100. Choice now more difficult. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kdriceman Posted November 12, 2014 Share #102 Posted November 12, 2014 I just downloaded the files. Apple Aperture 3.6 cannot open the Raw files, while the color rendering and IQ of Jpeg files are very good viewed from the Apple 15" MacPro with Retina Dispaly. As LX100 allows setting color space as "AdobeRGB" in addition to "sRGB", would you please share another batch of files of landscape focusing at infinity and color space as "AdobeRGB" at your earliest convenient time. Thanks a lot. I'm very time-limited this week, but happened to be on the campus of Rice University today with a few minutes to spare, so I shot some in Adobe RGB color space all manual focused at infinity (Note: Infinity on this camera functions differently than with a traditional lens. There is no infinity stop and the indicator is a virtual indicator in the viewfinder). All shot in Aperture priority at f/8 with evaluative metering. It was a low-contrast day and not a wide color gamut - sorry about that, but hope it helps you. If I get a chance in a more colorful environment I will take some more and perhaps try to give you better subjects and composition. The files are in folders named "Thomas Chen Raw" and 'Thomas Chen JPG". https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ly6cqc2jekm0xlt/AAAuZcJ0n8UzU9uj1pVCq7j9a?dl=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 12, 2014 Share #103 Posted November 12, 2014 Ming Thein has just posted his review and tested multiple Panasonic and Leica samples. There's no difference between them in terms of IQ. It sounds to me like the people that designed the body did a great job but the people that designed the lens did not do so well. http://blog.mingthein.com/2014/11/12/opinion-review-the-panasonic-lx100-leica-d-lux-109/#more-9822 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 13, 2014 Share #104 Posted November 13, 2014 Ming Thein did mention that he had to change one of the three cameras tested as the lens was not focusing correctly. Also fast lenses need extra care when focusing as DOF can mislead with even the best EVF's and the FX100/DLux 109 does not have the best EVF! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 13, 2014 Share #105 Posted November 13, 2014 Both Leica & Panasonic are said to be made on the same production line, quality control is supposedly higher ) There is nothing wrong with Panasonic quality control There is no difference in the manufacturing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 13, 2014 Share #106 Posted November 13, 2014 Focussing is not a problem with current EVFs thanks to focus assistance features like image magnification. Softness out of LX100 and DL109 images have been reported in borders and corners around f/4 and below though. Not the best cameras for landscape then but are there any 4/3 competitors doing better there? Just asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 13, 2014 Share #107 Posted November 13, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Focussing is not a problem with current EVFs thanks to focus assistance features like image magnification. Softness out of LX100 and DL109 images have been reported in borders and corners around f/4 and below though. Not the best cameras for landscape then but are there any 4/3 competitors doing better there? Just asking. All I can advise from experience with my own LX100 is that the images viewed on a 27" screen look sharp and crisp, but the same images in EVF and when reviewed on the LCD screen do not look so sharp. My Olympus E-M1 shows me equally sharp images on camera and on computer screen. So it is a leap of faith that the AF will perform as hoped......so far it has! Due to bad weather I haven''t spent much more time with the LX100 yet but I hope to put that right when I try it out on a photo journalism (posh word for street photography!) shoot at the week-end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted November 14, 2014 Share #108 Posted November 14, 2014 D-lux type does 109, stretch where to buy well and soon? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 14, 2014 Share #109 Posted November 14, 2014 I read something on dpreview forum that some guy has found softness in the JPGs that was not repeated in raw, leading him to believe it was a JPG compression issue. This would also explain why it appears soft on the LCD as the JPG is used to display on the LCD Rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted November 15, 2014 Share #110 Posted November 15, 2014 I'm very time-limited this week, but happened to be on the campus of Rice University today with a few minutes to spare, so I shot some in Adobe RGB color space all manual focused at infinity (Note: Infinity on this camera functions differently than with a traditional lens. There is no infinity stop and the indicator is a virtual indicator in the viewfinder). All shot in Aperture priority at f/8 with evaluative metering. It was a low-contrast day and not a wide color gamut - sorry about that, but hope it helps you. If I get a chance in a more colorful environment I will take some more and perhaps try to give you better subjects and composition. The files are in folders named "Thomas Chen Raw" and 'Thomas Chen JPG". https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ly6cqc2jekm0xlt/AAAuZcJ0n8UzU9uj1pVCq7j9a?dl=0 Thanks a lot. Apple Aperture 3.6 just updated its RAW converter today (15 Nov), allowing LX100 RAW files to be processesd I will make it with your new and old RAW files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted November 16, 2014 Share #111 Posted November 16, 2014 All I can advise from experience with my own LX100 is that the images viewed on a 27" screen look sharp and crisp, but the same images in EVF and when reviewed on the LCD screen do not look so sharp. My Olympus E-M1 shows me equally sharp images on camera and on computer screen. So it is a leap of faith that the AF will perform as hoped......so far it has! Due to bad weather I haven''t spent much more time with the LX100 yet but I hope to put that right when I try it out on a photo journalism (posh word for street photography!) shoot at the week-end. I think the difference is in the size of the embedded jpeg when you are shooting RAW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 20, 2014 Share #112 Posted November 20, 2014 Well I have taken the plunge and gone against all of my previous advice! I now have a Panasonic LX100. Why did I change my mind? Price, as the LX100 is now £699.99 in the UK a clear £125 less than the Leica type 109 The LX100 is complete with a built in handgrip the type 109 needs a hand grip charged as an (expensive(?) extra Purchased from the UK LCE dealer group, warranty is two years I do not need another copy of Lightroom! It was availble yesterday when I purchased it. The Leica type 109 is not available for purchase yet I also get a free automatic lens hood when purchased via LCE, which might even double as a lens hood. Finally, I can do without the red dot! The camera is neat and easily pocketable in a jacket or winter coat pocket. More later As promised, some idea of this little gem in action. I used it on a photo journalism assignment at Salisbury market last week-end. With the LX100 in my pocket I didn't need to introduce a camera to my subject until I had managed to get the information and obtained an element of trust. It worked like a charm as did the little camera with it's fast lens and pleasant bokeh. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235280-d-lux-type-109-or-panasonic-lx100-choice-now-more-difficult/?do=findComment&comment=2710311'>More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted November 20, 2014 Share #113 Posted November 20, 2014 Lightroom 5.7 and ACR now available with RAW support for LX100 and DLux 109. Lightroom 5.7 now available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbeyFoto Posted November 20, 2014 Share #114 Posted November 20, 2014 No grip as is on the Leica though I hadn't noticed this - thanks for mentioning it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted November 20, 2014 Share #115 Posted November 20, 2014 I also received an email from Leica Store Miami that they will be receiving their first shipment of DLux109 on Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 21, 2014 Share #116 Posted November 21, 2014 I hadn't noticed this - thanks for mentioning it The LX100 has a perfectly adequate and comfortable built in hand grip. It is not sold as an extra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2014 Share #117 Posted November 21, 2014 And it doesn't add any height to the body contrary to what an accessory grip would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2014 Share #118 Posted November 28, 2014 Another consideration may be camera cases, the Leica's being very nice and original whilst the more classical Panny's comes with a leather strap and a half case proving quite handy. http://tinyurl.com/ndgvegl Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235280-d-lux-type-109-or-panasonic-lx100-choice-now-more-difficult/?do=findComment&comment=2716093'>More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted November 28, 2014 Share #119 Posted November 28, 2014 I haven't quite figured out that Leica case....provides no side protection and constantly need to unscrew from tripod socket? By the way, the Leica is wider than the Panny and the bottom section of the half case doesn't fit on a a D-lux. Those rounded sides add some extra millimeters. It's a shame because it would have given a nice grip since it follows the curve of the Panasonic grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted January 2, 2015 Share #120 Posted January 2, 2015 On a lighter note and not completely serious - the choice appears to be brain vs. emotion for me. The little grip on the LX100 works perfectly for my middle finger, while the grip on the 109 will make it slightly larger and appears to be a bit like an afterthought. The accountant in my brain has noticed the continuously dropping prices of the LX100. But then, although the LX100 is a good-looking camera in itself, the 109 looks even better, to my taste. So, looking for arguments to convince the little accountant, I can't quote the resale value, since I tend to pass my older cameras on to family members for the advancement of photography. The newer Lightroom licence has been accounted for. Anything else? How about this - while the LX100 will continue to drop in price, entailing the modern consumer feeling of having always bought to early, the 109's will be fixed, until the successor comes out. () Now I still need a story for the photographer, who likes the little grip to hold the camera for portrait orientation... Stefan (postscriptum - the user interface of both cameras is simply brilliant. I also like the option to set the viewfinder to b/w.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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