M240 Settings Resetting to default by themselfs

[lct]

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New processing of old images just tells the way we recall them, or we try to embellish them, rather than showing the decisive moment. Somewhat like movie colorization. Hard to resist though... I will end up doing 100% jpegs if you go on arguing like that .

[CheshireCat]

New processing of old images just tells the way we recall them, or we try to embellish them, rather than showing the decisive moment.

Somewhat like movie colorization.

 

I disagree.

We usually process images to compensate the deficiencies of current display devices, unable to render what we really captured.

The decisive moment is in your raw file, ready to be displayed as well as the camera captured it... or in a different way, if you want to alter the visualization for artistic purposes.

 

P.S. The decisive moment is not all that matters. I for one must admit that I often capture no decisive moment at all. Just love enjoying the details, lights and colors of nature; or the complexity of human-generated landscapes of any kind.

 

I will end up doing 100% jpegs if you go on arguing like that .

 

And never look back at 256 colors VGA GIFs !

[lct]

I for one must admit that I often capture no decisive moment at all. Just love enjoying the details, lights and colors of nature; or the complexity of human-generated landscapes of any kind.

+1. Reason why i remain a raw shooter i guess but i like raw snobbery so much that i cannot resist to challenge it a bit from time to time. Not saying that you're a snob yourself of course, it is not my intent in any way .

[wlaidlaw]

I think another very serious reason to use RAW is the amount of detail you can draw from shadows, without getting the “blockiness” that you can get on JPEG’s. Similarly you can recover much more detail from over-exposed skies. Particularly when using ultra wide angle lenses, it is quite difficult not to get over-exposed skies.

 

Wilson

[jto555]

I think another very serious reason to use RAW is the amount of detail you can draw from shadows, without getting the “blockiness” that you can get on JPEG’s. Similarly you can recover much more detail from over-exposed skies. Particularly when using ultra wide angle lenses, it is quite difficult not to get over-exposed skies.

 

Wilson

 

 

And (As I keep going on about) you can colour correct the image more effectively.

[CheshireCat]

Not saying that you're a snob yourself of course, it is not my intent in any way .

 

As far as RAW files are concerned, I am totally a snob , as you are a RAW reverse-snob

[lct]

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I think another very serious reason to use RAW is the amount of detail you can draw from shadows, without getting the “blockiness” that you can get on JPEG’s

Used to be very true for sure but modern cameras are much more tolerant fortunately.

Here an original jpeg: http://tllg.net/wTnI

Same after a couple of clicks in PS: http://tllg.net/thLx

No noise reduction at all.

I would have dreamed of that with my dear old Digilux 1 and Epson R-D1.

Still playing the devil's advocate of course .

[lct]

Oops sorry for the OT folks.

[Alberti]

Last night my M240 (M-P) reset itself. (Second time in half a year).

 

I had left the battery in the charger - like I often do, so that can't be the reason for the camera's misconduct.

Had I left the camera in the on position? Maybe leaning upside down with the button half depressed? 

 

Reset was to factory settings. annoying; only found out end of day.

The frame naming was also reset (to L100xxxx).  But the number was not reset.

 

Last time (i think it was December 2015) frame naming and frame numbering were both reset.

 

 

What really causes this?

[jdlaing]

Last night my M240 (M-P) reset itself. (Second time in half a year).

 

I had left the battery in the charger - like I often do, so that can't be the reason for the camera's misconduct.

Had I left the camera in the on position? Maybe leaning upside down with the button half depressed? 

 

Reset was to factory settings. annoying; only found out end of day.

The frame naming was also reset (to L100xxxx).  But the number was not reset.

 

Last time (i think it was December 2015) frame naming and frame numbering were both reset.

 

 

What really causes this?

Was there a battery in the camera?

[Alberti]

I had no battery in the camera. For some 10 hours. 

So the camera should not be able to do anything. Except keep the time end remember the settings, user profiles and frame count 

[lct]

I had no battery in the camera. For some 10 hours. 

So the camera should not be able to do anything. Except keep the time end remember the settings, user profiles and frame count 

 

 

Do you think all these data are kept in ROM or elsewhere? Just curious as i have never tried to remove batteries for ten hours. 

[pop]

There is a small battery built into the camera. It is used to keep the clock running while the main battery is not in the camera. The manual states that this internal battery is charged from the main battery and that it loses its charge when the main battery is empty or not in the camera.  The manual also says that there the camera draws a small current from the main battery even when switched off, so that the main battery may be drained if left unattended in the camera for a long time. The manual then goes on saying that the camera will lose the time and date if the internal battery is emptied, which is quite obvious since the internal clock needs (a little) power to run. Nowhere does it mention the settings of the camera.

 

Since Alberti says that he often leaves the battery in the charger, it's certainly possible for the camera to empty the internal battery. Those last ten hours could have been the straw which - you know.

 

There are a few possible reasons for the camera to reset itself to factory defaults:

1. Installing new firmware seems to do that, even if it's not mentioned in the instructions.
2. Activating another profile than the one which contains the desired settings, including perhaps loading a profile from the SD card will override the present set of settings.
3. The user might have reset the camera to its defaults without realizing or even without remembering having done so.
4. Even if the manual mentions the clock only and not the settings, I might be possible that the camera loses the settings as well when there is no power at all in the camera.
5. The camera might be defective, which is not all that likely, given that the problem last occurred nearly half a year ago (in 2014, I presume); still it's possibility, especially in combination with (4) above.

[jdlaing]

What Pop said. The internal battery will lose it's charge if not powered by the main battery. This is also how to do a hard reset for all the camera settings. 

[Alberti]

 

There is a small battery built into the camera. It is used to keep the clock running while the main battery is not in the camera. The manual states that this internal battery is charged from the main battery and that it loses its charge when the main battery is empty or not in the camera.  The manual also says that there the camera draws a small current from the main battery even when switched off, so that the main battery may be drained if left unattended in the camera for a long time. The manual then goes on saying that the camera will lose the time and date if the internal battery is emptied, which is quite obvious since the internal clock needs (a little) power to run. Nowhere does it mention the settings of the camera.

 

Since Alberti says that he often leaves the battery in the charger, it's certainly possible for the camera to empty the internal battery. Those last ten hours could have been the straw which - you know.

 

There are a few possible reasons for the camera to reset itself to factory defaults:

1. Installing new firmware seems to do that, even if it's not mentioned in the instructions.
2. Activating another profile than the one which contains the desired settings, including perhaps loading a profile from the SD card will override the present set of settings.
3. The user might have reset the camera to its defaults without realizing or even without remembering having done so.
4. Even if the manual mentions the clock only and not the settings, I might be possible that the camera loses the settings as well when there is no power at all in the camera.
5. The camera might be defective, which is not all that likely, given that the problem last occurred nearly half a year ago (in 2014, I presume); still it's possibility, especially in combination with (4) above.

 

Looks like (three) but actually I took some late evening light shots and then plonked the battery in the charger. 

 

I made a new user profile this morning. Those were also gone. So it was an [almost] total reset to factory defaults (except the counter). 

 

It is not that likely to accidentally reset to factory (needs a special action, SET) and such a error is something that is easy to happen with a Fuji X100 series with its poor ergonomics - but not with our camera.

I frequently (that is twice the past week) I leave the battery loading during the evening.

The battery is very fresh. Taking 50-75 pictures takes no more than 5% off the full charge.

 

It looks like one of those 'the soul in the camera' type of things. But I'ld rather look at it more rational: like never leave the camera without a battery for more than 5 hours. [Would be silly].

Edited May 12, 2015 by Alberti

[Berlinman]

I had such resets three times with my M240 all related to freezes / look ups.

[jaapv]

Looks like (three) but actually I took some late evening light shots and then plonked the battery in the charger. 

 

I made a new user profile this morning. Those were also gone. So it was an [almost] total reset to factory defaults (except the counter). 

 

It is not that likely to accidentally reset to factory (needs a special action, SET) and such a error is something that is easy to happen with a Fuji X100 series with its poor ergonomics - but not with our camera.

I frequently (that is twice the past week) I leave the battery loading during the evening.

The battery is very fresh. Taking 50-75 pictures takes no more than 5% off the full charge.

 

It looks like one of those 'the soul in the camera' type of things. But I'ld rather look at it more rational: like never leave the camera without a battery for more than 5 hours. [Would be silly].

And save your user profiles...

[Alberti]

Jaap,

I'll save the user profile to the SD card I use. I assume I can just store it in the root.

And next time something is off-track I'll think quick. [i first noticed there was something in the iso].

 

I had no freeze or lock up. That is why I try to describe the circumstances so we get a body of knowledge on this. 

 

As regards the second battery, I would expect it is internally charged; unless it is a fixed silver oxide kind of thing; but then it would give me trouble from now on :-(  Therefore I like to reject that hypothesis.

[bocaburger]

I never leave the battery in unless I know I'm going out shooting in the next day or two.  When I next power up the camera I always check to see if my settings have been retained (I don't keep any user profiles, just change some settings).  Since the M240 defaults to AUTO ISO and I never use it, that's the easiest way to check because it doesn't involve going into menus.  So far it hasn't happened, but these things are computers and glitches take place. 

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[Alberti]

Boca burger,

It was the auto-iso that surprised me indeed; but I had a day of loitering in Arles and I would have liked it in the morning anyway. I have decided to change it to max 640 in my 'profile' and then I can easily see it. Profile is a big word here as I manage my setting like you describe.