honcho Posted May 22, 2014 Share #41 Posted May 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ps. Leica, I have now moved up to Hasselblad medium format film. Yeah....but you didn't get the free roll of Tri-X. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 22, 2014 Share #42 Posted May 22, 2014 The MM is now available in silver chrome but the MM that is part of the set is stainless steel like the M-A. Seems so, but my question was directed toward Andreas, since his post says that the Leica Blog (that he linked) lists "full information on all new products." So maybe a new finish isn't considered a new product offering? Leica Marketing at work. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted May 22, 2014 Share #43 Posted May 22, 2014 I find the M-A really beautiful, almost as beautiful as my M4. Too bad it is not a real production camera, since the suggestion made by others, of adding a newly designed clip on meter (preferably a coupled one) would have made this a real celebration item to be used by film users. Anyway, I have the M4 and M4-2 and M4-P, and I am very happy to use them. Lex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted May 22, 2014 Share #44 Posted May 22, 2014 A Leica MP by any other name is still an MP Hell, a lot of us have had MA's for years. When the battery on my MP discharged the last time I never bothered replacing it. I mean if you are going to plonk down this much dough for a FILM camera in this day and age you damn well better be a good enough photographer to read the light accurately without a meter! For that matter, the meter on mine never was accurate anyway...over-exposed everything I took forever until I figured out what was wrong The exorbitant price, of course, does include those lenses...and the digi monochrome M...but those 5 pieces in that box average out to a little more than 4K apiece (without consideration of whatever bragging rights one acquires by having the ltd edition, and case) I smell something of an aroma of shrewd businessman about this, of someone trying to sell those monochrome M's and squeeze the last bit of equity out of the MP designation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TW528 Posted May 22, 2014 Share #45 Posted May 22, 2014 I think they should offer the M-A as a production item in the regular finish. Just as the M-E is a stripped down M9 the M-A is a stripped down M-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 22, 2014 Share #46 Posted May 22, 2014 the M-A is a stripped down M-P. There is no M-P, yet, just an MP. I suspect the former is forthcoming. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted May 22, 2014 Share #47 Posted May 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Once we hear the price, we will know for sure that none of these 101 sets will be used in the field. Collector's only, me thinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 23, 2014 Share #48 Posted May 23, 2014 Okay, so I shot over to Meister Berlin to check the prices in Euro: Monochrom - listed as available in silver chrome for pre-order € 6,800 MP - okay, it's not the M-A, but it give comparison € 4,000 50 Summilux - chrome €3,450 35 Summilux - not available in chrome € 4,200 28 Summicron - not available in chrome €3,400 Total price of that lot € 21,850 So, for an additional €150, you get stainless steel instead of chrome, you get the new Summilux 28 instead of the Summicron, and you get a nice bag. Not sure you can say this is just aimed at the luxury market. It's aimed at someone who has lost or sold all their gear, or they're buying new into the system - but at list prices, the €22,000 price has a discount built in - if you can get it for that price ... Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted May 23, 2014 Share #49 Posted May 23, 2014 Okay, so I shot over to Meister Berlin to check the prices in Euro: Monochrom - listed as available in silver chrome for pre-order € 6,800 MP - okay, it's not the M-A, but it give comparison € 4,000 50 Summilux - chrome €3,450 35 Summilux - not available in chrome € 4,200 28 Summicron - not available in chrome €3,400 Total price of that lot € 21,850 So, for an additional €150, you get stainless steel instead of chrome, you get the new Summilux 28 instead of the Summicron, and you get a nice bag. Not sure you can say this is just aimed at the luxury market. It's aimed at someone who has lost or sold all their gear, or they're buying new into the system - but at list prices, the €22,000 price has a discount built in - if you can get it for that price ... Cheers John Don't forget the roll of Tri-X. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted May 23, 2014 Share #50 Posted May 23, 2014 You think that's expensive, imagine the tooling cost to make the M9 Titanium! Was the M9 Titanium actually machined from Titanium, in which case there should be even more "eeks" after your post, or was it "simply" coated by Titanium Nitride PVD, or some other witchcraft? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 23, 2014 Share #51 Posted May 23, 2014 Just a guess, but I would expect the 28 Summilux to sell for close to what the 21 Summilux sells for. If that's the case, I'll stick with my 28 'cron asph. The list of Leica must haves that I will in all probability never be able to afford continues to grow ever longer. No tears will be shed in these parts, though; I am already incredibly fortunate in terms of Leica M instruments (although a few more would not cause the sun to stop rising ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted May 23, 2014 Share #52 Posted May 23, 2014 Was the M9 Titanium actually machined from Titanium, in which case there should be even more "eeks" after your post, or was it "simply" coated by Titanium Nitride PVD, or some other witchcraft? According the the press release, 'all visible metal parts of the M9 Titanium are made of solid titanium'. Only the earlier M6 Titanium was coated with Ti, and the M7 was solid titanium. A Photo Profile on Leica M6 Titanium-plated finish rangefinder camera models -MIR Image Library Untitled Document Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted May 23, 2014 Share #53 Posted May 23, 2014 I'm interested to know - purely from an academic standpoint as I will never buy this set - how much the stainless steel M-A weighs. And what is this fingerprint-proof coating that has been applied? I'm hoping Leica will apply the T unibody milling tech to the creation of future M cameras. I'm no 'it must be brass' snob; I think it would be quite wonderful to have a unibody M, even made from aluminium or magnesium alloy and coated black like the lenses. My ultimate dream is for a solid titanium M that has been given black diamond-like carbon treatment. Light, strong, and would look incredible for years. And I wonder how many people around the world are scrambling for the phone or email now, to get on a waiting list for this latest package? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 23, 2014 Share #54 Posted May 23, 2014 Hell, a lot of us have had MA's for years. When the battery on my MP discharged the last time I never bothered replacing it. I mean if you are going to plonk down this much dough for a FILM camera in this day and age you damn well better be a good enough photographer to read the light accurately without a meter! For that matter, the meter on mine never was accurate anyway...over-exposed everything I took forever until I figured out what was wrong Oh, is that what that red light in my MP is? I thought it was there to tell me when I'd left the lens cap on Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 23, 2014 Share #55 Posted May 23, 2014 Okay, so I shot over to Meister Berlin to check the prices in Euro: Monochrom - listed as available in silver chrome for pre-order € 6,800 MP - okay, it's not the M-A, but it give comparison € 4,000 50 Summilux - chrome €3,450 35 Summilux - not available in chrome € 4,200 28 Summicron - not available in chrome €3,400 Total price of that lot € 21,850 So, for an additional €150, you get stainless steel instead of chrome, you get the new Summilux 28 instead of the Summicron, and you get a nice bag. Not sure you can say this is just aimed at the luxury market. It's aimed at someone who has lost or sold all their gear, or they're buying new into the system - but at list prices, the €22,000 price has a discount built in - if you can get it for that price ... Cheers John No doubt that 22.000 for the set would be a discounted price... but where does come from the 22.000 Euro figure ? The kit to be auctioned at Westlicht started from that price... but to compute the real cost within EU you must add 42,8% to that price (VAT+auction margin+VAT on it) ... and is currently bid at 26.000... .. a total net cost not far from 40.000 Euro ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximilianm3 Posted May 23, 2014 Share #56 Posted May 23, 2014 it looks nice but what's the problem with a a used analog M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted May 23, 2014 Share #57 Posted May 23, 2014 it looks nice but what's the problem with a a used analog M? There's no problem with a used M. But (like I said) while I'd love to see a workhorse version of this camera (for the rest of us), I don't really have a problem with Leica producing these special editions for those that are interested and can afford them. The only problem arises if Leica forget they're a camera company instead of a luxury commodity supplier. If I had a few millions in the bank, then I might buy this set and use them as my everyday walkaround kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximilianm3 Posted May 23, 2014 Share #58 Posted May 23, 2014 There's no problem with a used M. But (like I said) while I'd love to see a workhorse version of this camera (for the rest of us), I don't really have a problem with Leica producing these special editions for those that are interested and can afford them. The only problem arises if Leica forget they're a camera company instead of a luxury commodity supplier. If I had a few millions in the bank, then I might buy this set and use them as my everyday walkaround kit. I guess Leica has to forget that it's a camera company as these old cameras keep on working after 50 years or more:p Leicas's market share is what nowadays? My guess would be no more than 1% so it has to charge a lot to survive (which it apparently does quite well now) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 23, 2014 Share #59 Posted May 23, 2014 If the revenue from this "bling" supports r&d later put into cameras made and sold for the rest of us (how much of the innovation that worked and didn't in the M9 titanium impacted the M240 and the T?) then so be it. Not a bad strategy when looked at this way. We also know now that Leica still knows how to make a fully manual film camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 23, 2014 Share #60 Posted May 23, 2014 The M-A is certainly beautiful - I would love to have one (but then who wouldn't?) It would be really nice if Leica would make this camera available as a non limited edition stand alone (without the MM, lenses and case) option for we mere mortals who do not have money to burn... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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