sm23221 Posted May 8, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been using my MM for about 2 years (shooting only DNG files) and just realized there are options for JPG file sizes that seem quite ridiculous to me. One of the reasons I like my M cameras is Leica's minimalist approach to menu options and dials. So why do they have 1MP, 2MP, 4.5MP and 10MP JPG options? How would one use a 1MP file? Why would I even consider shooting with this resolution? I could somewhat understand why one would use the 10MP option, definitely the 18MP option, but the 1MP option?? The 2MP option? Just curious to make sure I'm not missing something. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjh Posted May 8, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 8, 2014 Nearly all digital cameras on the market offer those options, some going as far as VGA. The usefulness of the smaller image sizes is limited of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 8, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 8, 2014 If you are a photojournalist and have to send you images directly to your editor through a dial-up connection, it saves a lot of laptop time. 1MP can be enough for a newspaper photograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 8, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 8, 2014 If you are a photojournalist and have to send you images directly to your editor through a dial-up connection, it saves a lot of laptop time. 1MP can be enough for a newspaper photograph. But isn't such a photojournalist likely to be a Canon/Nikon user? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 8, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 8, 2014 Maybe Leica would like them to be a Leica user Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted May 8, 2014 Share #6 Posted May 8, 2014 But isn't such a photojournalist likely to be a Canon/Nikon user? Quite likely, but a lot also carry Leicas for the times when a less intrusive camera/lens is needed I don't think the inclusion of the 1mp and 2mp options would have prevented anything else from being included in the software, and 'may' come in useful at some point in time and it's nice to have the option, even though transmission times are faster now. Maybe in the MM2 the lower limit will be 4mp ? Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted May 8, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I thought all the legendary photojournalists use Leicas! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire53 Posted May 8, 2014 Share #8 Posted May 8, 2014 If you are a photojournalist and have to send you images directly to your editor through a dial-up connection. who the heck is using dial ups in these days ... they all run around with BEGAN systems and do real time video streaming and upload direct into Dropfile... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire53 Posted May 8, 2014 Share #9 Posted May 8, 2014 I thought all the legendary photojournalists use Leicas! I recently saw in TV the German foreign minister on a visit in Kabul and the photographer used a Monochrom and another one used (looked like) M9 maybe it's coming back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 8, 2014 Share #10 Posted May 8, 2014 who the heck is using dial ups in these days ... they all run around with BEGAN systems and do real time video streaming and upload direct into Dropfile... Half the world is on dial-up, if they have a telephone system at all, that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted May 8, 2014 Share #11 Posted May 8, 2014 I have a client, an architect no less, who complains that the files he downloads from me are too big. He puts them on his website and likes to email them around. Well, I just size a collection for him and export from LR - accordingly just for this purpose. But, it would be almost as easy for me to just shoot DNG + JPEG small and send him the small JPEGs. So, there are uses for the smaller files and I suspect many photographers find it easier to save a small, easier to handle file right on the card. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 8, 2014 Share #12 Posted May 8, 2014 1MP is actually more than enough for the majority of photographers these days, there's not much point in having 18MP if you're only ever going to post photos on the web. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 8, 2014 Share #13 Posted May 8, 2014 1MP is actually more than enough for the majority of photographers these days, there's not much point in having 18MP if you're only ever going to post photos on the web. Then regardless there's not much point to the 'advantages' of a Monochrom for 1MB files. Which brings me back to the frustratingly small file size limit in this forum of only 612K for displaying the output of some of the best lenses and sensors available! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted May 9, 2014 Share #14 Posted May 9, 2014 If you are a photojournalist and have to send you images directly to your editor through a dial-up connection, it saves a lot of laptop time. 1MP can be enough for a newspaper photograph. 15 years ago maybe... In 1999 or 2000 our newspaper had bought a whole crate of Nikon D1 cameras. We had some people from NPS come out and explain WB, and that TTL flash was going to be different, and that the resolution of an uncropped 2.7 MP file (what the D1 produced as a FINE LARGE JPG) was the perfect resolution for making a double truck full page newspaper spread. Supposedly, it was all the resolution you'd ever need. We were shooting JPG fine on 128 MB cards, about a hundred or so to a card. The files were 800kb to 1.2mb per, depending on what was in the picture. They uncompressed to 7mb each. That was a LONG time ago. If I was sitting on the photo desk of a major metropolitan newspaper and some "photojournalist" came in with pictures that he (or she) took with an effing Leica Monochrome set on the lowest possible tick above not taking a picture at all (1MP) , and then stated that it should be plenty enough for newspaper work....I would make sure they never worked for any publication within a 6 state radius. 1MP of resolution could theoretically be used to print a small picture in a newspaper, but 1 megapixel is too small for important photography, it's too small for really anything. I don't know a self respecting photographer who would use that setting for any reason whatsoever. On that particular camera, it seems like a setting they could have left off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friedeye Posted May 9, 2014 Share #15 Posted May 9, 2014 In talking about photojournalists using Leica--- Leica, of course, used to be the go-to camera in the film era. Along with Nikon. Then Leica was slow on the digital uptake. The buggy M8 didn't help things. But where they really fell behind was in their lack of video. As the internet expanded, and television news lost their budgets for field offices, video from the field became a must have addition to the photographer's arsenal. Hello Canon. I think that's part of the decision to have video included in the M 240. Anyone shooting reportage needs it now. Or, at least, an M9 with an iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted May 9, 2014 Share #16 Posted May 9, 2014 If you are a photojournalist and have to send you images directly to your editor through a dial-up connection, it saves a lot of laptop time. 1MP can be enough for a newspaper photograph. thats only relevant if you aren't working on the images and sending them straight in. at the minimum they will be cropped/toned/WBed, captioned and resized at work i shoot full size JPEG with a 1DX - they get resized to 3500px on the long side and crushed down to between 750kb and 1.5mb per file. if i was sending via a dialup link, i would resize to 2800px and crush them down even further, 250kb or so (which is what we have to do with the BGAN system - work doesn't like paying $5 a megabyte for data, they really didn't like paying the bill for a 250mb video one of the guys sent in) Quite likely, but a lot also carry Leicas for the times when a less intrusive camera/lens is needed I don't think the inclusion of the 1mp and 2mp options would have prevented anything else from being included in the software, and 'may' come in useful at some point in time and it's nice to have the option, even though transmission times are faster now. Maybe in the MM2 the lower limit will be 4mp ? Bruno Thats why i bought my M, for a smaller quieter less intrusive camera, but also as an alternative to the big 1DXes so i could carry a camera with me all the time (i also really like the rangefinder focusing) who the heck is using dial ups in these days ... they all run around with BEGAN systems and do real time video streaming and upload direct into Dropfile... as someone who has had to stand on a rooftop holding a 3g wifi dongle thingy to get signal, i can confirm that not everyone has a BGAN - work has one shared between our photographers, it is grabbed when we do remote trips, but there is plenty of places less than an hour from the city with no phone/internet coverage (other than dialup) 15 years ago maybe... In 1999 or 2000 our newspaper had bought a whole crate of Nikon D1 cameras. We had some people from NPS come out and explain WB, and that TTL flash was going to be different, and that the resolution of an uncropped 2.7 MP file (what the D1 produced as a FINE LARGE JPG) was the perfect resolution for making a double truck full page newspaper spread. Supposedly, it was all the resolution you'd ever need. We were shooting JPG fine on 128 MB cards, about a hundred or so to a card. The files were 800kb to 1.2mb per, depending on what was in the picture. They uncompressed to 7mb each. That was a LONG time ago. If I was sitting on the photo desk of a major metropolitan newspaper and some "photojournalist" came in with pictures that he (or she) took with an effing Leica Monochrome set on the lowest possible tick above not taking a picture at all (1MP) , and then stated that it should be plenty enough for newspaper work....I would make sure they never worked for any publication within a 6 state radius. 1MP of resolution could theoretically be used to print a small picture in a newspaper, but 1 megapixel is too small for important photography, it's too small for really anything. I don't know a self respecting photographer who would use that setting for any reason whatsoever. On that particular camera, it seems like a setting they could have left off. the one i work for bought the Canon D2000 (2MP) and then the 1D (4MP, which i still have and use for a laugh occasionally) we routinely use photos taken from Facebook or Twitter that are less than 1MP - but the quality is obviously terrible. I can't see a need for anything other than RAW and Large Jpeg options, but thats just me, no-one ever sees my SOOC files anyway, they always get a little work done (work pics in Bridge/PS and personal or M stuff in LR5) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 9, 2014 Share #17 Posted May 9, 2014 1MP of resolution could theoretically be used to print a small picture in a newspaper, but 1 megapixel is too small for important photography, it's too small for really anything. I don't know a self respecting photographer who would use that setting for any reason whatsoever. 1MP would be more than enough for a column width size and would look fine even larger in newsprint but I think this misses the point of the 1MP setting. The option of a 1MP JPEG is primarily there for those who want a small preview or reference JPEG to use in parallel with the DNG file. That you can also select that setting in JPEG-only mode is just a quirk of having that output capability within the camera software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 9, 2014 Share #18 Posted May 9, 2014 I switch my DSLR to low res jpegs when I'm taking photos for web use only, i.e. stuff I sell on ebay. There's no point in having a large file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire53 Posted May 10, 2014 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2014 Half the world is on dial-up, if they have a telephone system at all, that is. Don't confuse 3G/4G with dial up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2014 Share #20 Posted May 10, 2014 I don’t, did you know most developing countries use gear that was superseded in the first world and donated to them by the telephone companies? They may start getting 3G gradually now that 4 G is coming into use in the countries that can afford it. Living where you do you may not realize it, but this has been one of the most successful foreign aid projects ever undertaken. Ten years ago many third-world countries did not have working internal communication systems as the telephone lines kept being stolen, broken down by wildlife or the apparatus simply was out of function through neglect and old age. Nowadays you will find working cellphones in the poorest rural areas and even the most remote village market will have little booths selling telephone cards and offering recharging facilities ( often off an old car battery.) It has done the same miracles for society that we experienced in the early twentieth century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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