earleygallery Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share #41 Posted April 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seems odd given your comments that Leica chose AF for the S range, which is also an expensive camera. It's inevitable that Leica will at some point replace the M with an AF 'equivalent' model. Maybe they would run both lines together rather like they do with film and digital bodies. What of the new T customer who gets into photography and wants a 'better' camera? Will people weaned on EVIL AF systems really want to move on to a system that has it's roots in 1930's technology? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted April 29, 2014 Share #42 Posted April 29, 2014 Seems odd given your comments that Leica chose AF for the S range, which is also an expensive camera. It's inevitable that Leica will at some point replace the M with an AF 'equivalent' model. Maybe they would run both lines together rather like they do with film and digital bodies. What of the new T customer who gets into photography and wants a 'better' camera? Will people weaned on EVIL AF systems really want to move on to a system that has it's roots in 1930's technology? Yes. Maybe not. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted April 29, 2014 Share #43 Posted April 29, 2014 Yes. Maybe not. No. If I read your comment as a triple response to Earleygallery's only question then I can only say - well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 29, 2014 Share #44 Posted April 29, 2014 I would love to have an hybrid viewfinder switchable to maintain the beautiful M we have now and switching to an EVF without the need of an attachement.Hoping also longer tele lens for M and extension tube for macro 90 Me too think this is the way they can think of for the future of M : technology (see Fuji) is still not up to what we do pretend, but can improve in quality and cost : to see in what time... but with such a device their optical dep. could bring out smart designs for long teles with no spectacular aperture (4,5/5,6 in the 180/280 range) and a compactness that AF teles can't equal. M , apart "Messucher", can stand also for "Manual" ... so that I tend to think that NO AF can be the future distinctive feature of M : many people can live without it (and prefer , in many situations) : the fact that the lenses they have preannouced for T are another pair of AF Zooms seems to me a clear sign that they are targeting the T line (evolves it or not to FF in the future) to this basic feature that is outside of M perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 29, 2014 Share #45 Posted April 29, 2014 It's inevitable that Leica will at some point replace the M with an AF 'equivalent' model. Why would that be, given that the rangefinder is the defining characteristic of the M? AF systems have been around for decades; if the move from manual to automatic focusing was universal and inevitable, it would have happened long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted April 30, 2014 Share #46 Posted April 30, 2014 It's inevitable that Leica will at some point replace the M with an AF 'equivalent' model. Maybe they would run both lines together rather like they do with film and digital bodies. There is nothing inevitable about that. Of course they will make multiple lines of cameras, as they already do. One line does not replace another. The X did not replace the M. The S did not replace the M. The T did not replace the M. The only reason to replace the M is if the M stops selling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 30, 2014 Share #47 Posted April 30, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) My comments: The clip on viewfinder is good. As long as the electronic connector design is current, upgrades will mean just changing out the viewfinder to a newer one and not having to replace the camera. There will be users who use the camera without the viewfinder. The M is and will continue to be a rangefinder and it will remain in a class of its own. Albeit with a shrinking market share as more of the traditional users accept the all electronic cameras. The M may adopt some styling cues from the T, but nothing more. The T will over time evolve into a full-frame camera as it is capable of supporting a larger sensor. This will depend of the future addressable market of the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 30, 2014 Share #48 Posted April 30, 2014 Can we move this to the T forum? This thread has no relevance to the M Forum any more than asking if the next M will be an S. Or, if the next M will be a can of beans. Or, if the next M will take on design elements of a flush toilet handle. The M is essentially an M. Isn't it clear that the T is an entirely different camera. Isn't it obvious the next M will not be a T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 3, 2014 Share #49 Posted May 3, 2014 i like the design of T body. Next M should use some inspiration from it for designing a rear layout for M body. I like touchscreen and it could be disabled for users who dont use it. Fewer buttons are nicer for more ergonomic handling. of course, M always will have optical RF and top layout aka M3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 3, 2014 Share #50 Posted May 3, 2014 I don't want fewer buttons. I now have a camera I can even operate with gloves in winter time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 3, 2014 Share #51 Posted May 3, 2014 why not use gloves on screen? Ability to customize layout on screen is big plus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share #52 Posted May 3, 2014 Can we move this to the T forum? This thread has no relevance to the M Forum any more than asking if the next M will be an S. Or, if the next M will be a can of beans. Or, if the next M will take on design elements of a flush toilet handle. The M is essentially an M. Isn't it clear that the T is an entirely different camera. Isn't it obvious the next M will not be a T. The question is will Leica use some of the design elements in a future M camera. No, it won't be a T of course but it might be a new type of M with the touch screen interface an just a shutter button and top dial. Who knows, an EVF might replace the rangefinder one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 4, 2014 Share #53 Posted May 4, 2014 The question is will Leica use some of the design elements in a future M camera. No, it won't be a T of course but it might be a new type of M with the touch screen interface an just a shutter button and top dial. Who knows, an EVF might replace the rangefinder one day. If it was would you buy one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 4, 2014 Share #54 Posted May 4, 2014 Why would i buy a reflex camera? There are plenty of them out there. Even if EVFs were at the level of 30 years old OVFs, which they are not by far, they can't simulate rangefinders for being TTL devices basically. EVFs will be able to see outside the lens when pigs can fly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 4, 2014 Share #55 Posted May 4, 2014 why not use gloves on screen? Ability to customize layout on screen is big plus. Can you confirm you can use any type of glove on the new Leica T it's touchscreen? I can't even answer my iPhone when somebody calls. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 4, 2014 Share #56 Posted May 4, 2014 There are special gloves supporting capacitive touch displays; these should do the trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 4, 2014 Share #57 Posted May 4, 2014 Can you confirm you can use any type of glove on the new Leica T it's touchscreen?I can't even answer my iPhone when somebody calls. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LCB2wrC0is8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted May 4, 2014 Share #58 Posted May 4, 2014 There are special gloves supporting capacitive touch displays; these should do the trick. Yes, their called fingerless gloves ... I even came across some hunting gloves where the thumb and index finger are open topped, while the rest are in a closed -- ideal for iPhone style gestures. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted May 4, 2014 Share #59 Posted May 4, 2014 The thing that irks me about the manner in which Leica adopts technology is the tentative and ambivalent way they approach it. I agree with the argument above that a T will never be an M and vice versa. I can't imagine an AF M despite the fact that Leica invented AF. But the slow adoption of useful tech is problematic. Look at the M9; the LCD was pitifully low-res and they never upgraded it, even for the M Monochrom. The M240 incorporated an EVF (first-generation, low resolution) after Leica was prodded by Michael Reichmann ("The Luminous Landscape") and others but they cripple it with a chip set that cannot accommodate faster frame rates of the latest EVF's, essentially rendering the camera NOT the R-solution they promised. The RF experience so many M users cherish need not be seen as undermined if they offered a hybrid RF that includes focus peaking, or a larger touch screen LCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 4, 2014 Share #60 Posted May 4, 2014 Mjh and Nick, that's exactly what puts me off. Having to buy special 'clothing' to be able to operate a camera. As if a Leica doesn't cost enough by itself already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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