No focus peaking???

[jmr]

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Dear Forum,

 

I bought a T two weeks ago, using my money, from a shop.

I go out most days and take pictures with it.

I post some of them on the T shots thread here.

I like it.

 

Where am I going wrong?

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[colonel]

Dear Forum,

 

I bought a T two weeks ago, using my money, from a shop.

I go out most days and take pictures with it.

I post some of them on the T shots thread here.

I like it.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

in many areas

 

I hope you realize that you are not supposed to take pictures, just argue about features for 3 months before you sell it on ebay

 

On the other hand, the photo sub-forum here is quite enjoyable

 

best rgds

[tomasis7]

Dear Forum,

 

I bought a T two weeks ago, using my money, from a shop.

I go out most days and take pictures with it.

I post some of them on the T shots thread here.

I like it.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

no nothing wrong, enjoy of taking photos, like that guy there (he apparently locked to desk at the end)

[jaapv]

I am not commenting on the camera. I am asking what you are looking for and how you picture this camera filling that role. Do you wish to articulate that or not? I don't know why you should care that I be enthusiastic about it. But I do want to know why others find it so appealing.I am curious like that.

I've seen many posts of that kind, including my own. Maybe you are concentrating on the wrong threads?

[Jeff S]

Nobody is saying a camera that lacks specific features is a bad camera.

 

You left out the important part. I clearly said that I wouldn't call it a bad camera, or a bad value, without trying it. And you just as clearly assessed it as a bad value (for everyone) since it lacks the features you want.

 

I believe that one must use a camera before being able to assess its merits and value/worth. This is up to the individual. You seem to think that your four features should be a given. Ten other people will each pick four other features. And even with all their preferences, nobody will really know anything until they try it.

 

You are entitled to your preferences, as are each of us. What you're not entitled to is forcing your preferences, or value judgments, on anyone else. Do you really not get the distinction?

 

Jeff

[imants]

Minimalism....something that gets bandied around on this forum with little regard to the integrity of the words true meaning

[thighslapper]

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Honestly, this all feels like a mighty collective voice in defense of mediocrity

 

those like me will enjoy not buying one : -)

 

- Marc

 

no..... it's a defence of citicising something 99% of people have never used and are making comments about on the basis of on paper specifications...... and assumptions about missing 'features' without any idea of whether this camera actually needs them or not.

[imants]

Mediocrity.........somethimg tha never is finds acceptance here despite that it has crept into the design and production of leica cameras ".........

[AlanG]

You left out the important part. I clearly said that I wouldn't call it a bad camera, or a bad value, without trying it. And you just as clearly assessed it as a bad value (for everyone) since it lacks the features you want.

 

I believe that one must use a camera before being able to assess its merits and value/worth. This is up to the individual. You seem to think that your four features should be a given. Ten other people will each pick four other features. And even with all their preferences, nobody will really know anything until they try it.

 

You are entitled to your preferences, as are each of us. What you're not entitled to is forcing your preferences, or value judgments, on anyone else. Do you really not get the distinction?

 

Jeff

 

Feel free not to read my posts.

[imants]

or in an other form mediocrity is taking a person's statement and only posting parts that suit to serve the argument of another

eg

no..... it's citicising 99% of people without any idea

 

 

 

[Jeff S]

Feel free not to read my posts.

 

It's ok, Alan, I couldn't defend them either.

 

Jeff

[AlanG]

 

no nothing wrong, enjoy of taking photos, like that guy there (he apparently locked to desk at the end)

 

Why are you embedding a photo of me from my website? I've been posting mostly on location from cell phone. Hence the typos.

[jaapv]

Thanks for the tip. This site respects copyright

[AlanG]

Dear Forum,

 

I bought a T two weeks ago, using my money, from a shop.

I go out most days and take pictures with it.

I post some of them on the T shots thread here.

I like it.

 

Where am I going wrong?

 

Thanks. Would you recommend this camera to your friends? If so, what levels of interest in photography do they have?

[AlanG]

no..... it's a defence of citicising something 99% of people have never used and are making comments about on the basis of on paper specifications...... and assumptions about missing 'features' without any idea of whether this camera actually needs them or not.

 

Are you implying some are wrong in the assumption that we will miss those features when in reality we should not? Do these paper specifications not truly represent what is in the camera? Are you saying the overall shooting experience will be so good and that alone is enough to overcome any concerns regarding features?

 

Let me give you a different view... if you ask most photographers what they'd like to see in a $4200 camera (body, zoom, evf) what do you think that would be?

 

I don't think it would be this camera so it obviously is aimed at a smaller market.

[tomasis7]

 

 

 

Why are you embedding a photo of me from my website? I've been posting mostly on location from cell phone. Hence the typos.

 

I dont care about typos, i dont neither care that it came from cell phone.

 

All those complexes from you.. Put aside them, I thought the photo might make you happy, it reminded me when you enjoyed to take photos. Now I see only that you got encapsulated by bureaucratic mind and worry about features, even spend many hours on desk for something that you wont gonna have. Im just perplexed and of course you were worried about copyright despite typos and cell phone.

 

I hope you now start to enjoy of taking photos unlike recent years, who knows I liked photos in essay section but they seemed old.

[AlanG]

 

I dont care about typos, i dont neither care that it came from cell phone.

 

All those complexes from you.. Put aside them, I thought the photo might make you happy, it reminded me when you enjoyed to take photos. Now I see only that you got encapsulated by bureaucratic mind and worry about features, even spend many hours on desk for something that you wont gonna have. Im just perplexed and of course you were worried about copyright despite typos and cell phone.

 

I hope you now start to enjoy of taking photos unlike recent years, who knows I liked photos in essay section but they seemed old.

 

I am very happy so don't worry. Why do you care what I do with my time? I have plenty of photography work and have taken 5 vacations so far this year. My goal in recent years is to work much less than I used to.

 

My website photos are very very dated. Some of those essays I did when I was a teenager. All recent work goes to the Photoshelter site which has promotional galleries and many client projects posted in case you care to look. Warning: there are 17,000 images posted.

 

Alan Goldstein Photoshelter Galleries

 

Back to the camera, if you worked in a camera store, who would you recommend buy the T and why?

 

BTW in response to those who said you have to use a camera to know it, I certainly never used most of the cameras that I sold when I worked in a camera shop.

[jonoslack]

 

BTW in response to those who said you have to use a camera to know it, I certainly never used most of the cameras that I sold when I worked in a camera shop.

 

Funny that Alan - when I go to photo stores it's always perfectly clear that the staff really don't know much about the cameras. (even if they're good photographers, intelligent people and nice to talk to).

 

I think you've just explained to me why.

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[jonoslack]

Jono, thanks for the answer.

 

However, (In a lighthearted manner … because in the scheme of things, this is all just a tempest in a teapot that has raged on for 8+ pages)

 

Will the current "evangelizing" also do a flip-flop in the next few years? Months? Days? : -)

 

Honestly, this all feels like a mighty collective voice in defense of mediocrity, an attribute I personally do not subscribe to Leica, nor many of its' users.

 

While you and I have our disagreements regarding the M240, it is about differing image tastes and preferences, not mediocrity.

 

There is nothing mediocre about the M Monochrome, M240 or Leica S2/S.

 

Well Marc - I see where you're coming from, and it's for sure that this camera is not going to replace my M or Monochrom.

 

. . . . but - I've been shooting with the thing for 6 months now, together with most of the obvious competition (Sony A7®, Fuji X-T1, OMD E-M1). The sensor is pretty much identical to the one in the Pentax K5 IIs - not state of the art, but very good.

 

It's certainly mediocre in terms of features, but I've come to really like using it - for the last month there's no particular reason to pick it up (over the M or the E-M1 or the A7 - until that went yesterday) . . but I have picked it up. The results are good, the lenses are good, and it's a pleasure to use . . . I don't think that really adds up to mediocrity?

 

To me it seems like a bit of a work in progress - the touch screen means that Leica really can make significant changes in the firmware, but it's the first body in a new range, with a well thought out and solid new lens mount.

 

It feels like it has a future to it. If it sells (and it's certainly looking like it will), then Leica will feel more confident spending more money on R&D on it's successor.

[AlanG]

Funny that Alan - when I go to photo stores it's always perfectly clear that the staff really don't know much about the cameras. (even if they're good photographers, intelligent people and nice to talk to).

 

I think you've just explained to me why.

 

I knew virtually everything about most of the cameras but you can't go out and shoot with 100 different models. At that time, I had a near photographic memory (no pun intended) for the camera features, lenses, accessories and pricing.

 

So instead of this continuous personal sniping...

 

Do you feel that the handling and esthetics of the T are so great that it justifies its premium price vs. others in its class? Maybe it is more of a debate between gestalt and structuralism than it is about photography gear and performance.

 

What kind of photographers would you recommend it to?.