lct Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share #21 Â Posted April 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) According to Sean Reid "There are some resolution losses in the corners, with challenging RF lenses, but that isn't especially obvious in a lot of day to day picture making (especially when the lenses are stopped down a bit)". So what about the CV 21/4 at f/4 or the Elmarit 28/2.8 asph at f/2.8 for instance? Same question about Leicas 18, 21 and 24 at full aperture. If the answer is "so-so" or "good enough" i will let the little T to others i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Hi lct, Take a look here Is the T made for M users?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Doc_P Posted April 25, 2014 Share #22 Â Posted April 25, 2014 Well i'll try theT/Visoflex with 50Lux, 75Cron and 135ApoTelyt and use the M for my 28/21 wideangles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 25, 2014 Share #23  Posted April 25, 2014 This answers my question pretty well i'm afraid... That a Leica body can be less optimized for Leica lenses than a Ricoh body is frankly beyond me. The T is optimised for Leica lenses – namely for T lenses. So no, the T is not made for M users, even when M lenses can be adapted. This should come as no surprise really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share #24 Â Posted April 25, 2014 Why advertising the T surrounded by M lenses then? And what's the point of using 6-bit coding for the M adapter if the T makes no use of it to avoid vignetting and red edge with M lenses? I fail to see any common sense in all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 26, 2014 Share #25 Â Posted April 26, 2014 Why advertising the T surrounded by M lenses then? And what's the point of using 6-bit coding for the M adapter if the T makes no use of it to avoid vignetting and red edge with M lenses? I fail to see any common sense in all that. Â Leica sees the T as a great way to sell more Leica lenses. I believe they are spot on, in their marketing this time around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 26, 2014 Share #26 Â Posted April 26, 2014 Leica have demonstrated a large number of current (and legacy) M lenses photographed behind the T in a recent promotional photograph. It would be most unfortunate, if not misleading, if the lenses shown were incompatible/unusable due to significant edge colour and smearing problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted April 26, 2014 Share #27 Â Posted April 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Might have been interesting if the A7 would not be there, but now if I would buy a backup for my M9 I rather would get the Sony due to full format (and it even costs less). I like to shoot wide angle and thus the 1.5 crop is not appealing. Â The A7 shutter slams open and shut to hard as to make use of a tripod necessary for any critical focus work. The thing is really clunky. The T seems to be very smooth and quiet, based on the reviews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 26, 2014 Share #28 Â Posted April 26, 2014 Is the T made for M users? Hell no! Why in the world should it be? Â It is made for the market Leica wishes to move into, this time using their classic philosophy of elegance and simplicity. I believe they are right-on with this design. To me it is like they finally found a design that recalls their roots, but this time in the compact digital camera world. Â I anticipate concerns for the body's finish. It is susceptible to surface marks. I am surprised that the silver body is not anodized, unless it is after hand-finishing. Perhaps that is why it is supplied with a convenient ever-ready cover. We shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuromis Posted May 4, 2014 Share #29 Â Posted May 4, 2014 Leica have demonstrated a large number of current (and legacy) M lenses photographed behind the T in a recent promotional photograph. It would be most unfortunate, if not misleading, if the lenses shown were incompatible/unusable due to significant edge colour and smearing problems. Â Did I miss something? As far as I read here, the only problem was that a Ricoh cam was having a better IQ (compared to the T) in the corners, when shooting M lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted May 5, 2014 Share #30  Posted May 5, 2014 Is the T made for M users? Hell no! Why in the world should it be?   It is made for the market Leica wishes to move into, this time using their classic philosophy of elegance and simplicity. I believe they are right-on with this design. To me it is like they finally found a design that recalls their roots, but this time in the compact digital camera world.    I anticipate concerns for the body's finish. It is susceptible to surface marks. I am surprised that the silver body is not anodized, unless it is after hand-finishing. Perhaps that is why it is supplied with a convenient ever-ready cover. We shall see.   I was under the impression that both the silver and black T bodies were anodised.  Regards, Tom   Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted May 5, 2014 Share #31 Â Posted May 5, 2014 Yes they are! Jono Slack reported that he had absolutely no signs of use after using it for several months. And he had a silver one! Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted May 5, 2014 Share #32 Â Posted May 5, 2014 Lots of if's, and's and but's in this thread! How long has this camera been out for? A week? Two? Until the T finds it's way into the hands of reviewers who will test it with M lenses, we can only speculate. Fun though that is, the internet has a habit of turning speculation into fact pretty quickly! Who knows? We may end up being pleasantly surprised by this and many other aspects of the T's performance. It's too early to tell just now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 5, 2014 Share #33 Â Posted May 5, 2014 Think iphone with your M lens attached and that pretty much sums up the T -- of course with many more photo choices and higher IQ. But the concept is pretty as I noted. Tried it at Leica Soho, one of the better more enjoyable photo stores to rummage about and get into enjoyable and informative conversations with people. Tried the T, attached my M lens to it, the EVF was better than I thought (opens when your eye is in it, very cool) and focusing through the screen was very simple and easy (without the magnification focus aid), perhaps the ease comes from my 40 year history of using SLRs and swapping focusing screens on my Canon new F1. I didn't take any pictures home with me,from the T so I will leave the pixel peeping, red edge analysis to others. The T was a bit slippery in my hand and unbalanced with a 75mm summicron attached (you need to hold the lens and have the camera strap attached to you to feel secure. The T lenses are light as a feather, so the balance of T is perfect with the T lens attached. All in all, a nice camera that fits a niche with, I believe,strong demand. I just don't think I need it, even though I liked it and was duly impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zapp Posted May 6, 2014 Share #34 Â Posted May 6, 2014 It is a cropped sensor, imposing a virtual 1.5x tele convertor on all attached M lenses. And the M is all about using lenses of short focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #35 Â Posted May 6, 2014 I would only use it with M lenses in a backup situation. (And when playing around ) The longer R lenses are bound to work quite well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 6, 2014 Share #36 Â Posted May 6, 2014 In a nutshell, the T is not intended as an alternative body for using M lenses, rather M lenses are (if you happen to own some) an alternative to using the T with its native lenses. Of which there are just two right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 6, 2014 Share #37 Â Posted May 6, 2014 i would agree ..... and if i were to buy the T with a T lens as a backup/second kit to my M I would buy the zoom T, essentially a 28 to 85 equivalent. Probably don't need much else for a walkabout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #38 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Sorry - missed this thread. First of all, the T is certainly not made for M users. Â However - I've used it with a wide range of M lenses, and whilst I wouldn't dream of criticising Sean's tests at close range, I've found it works really well with all the M lenses I've tested. Â There isn't much point in putting a 35 FLE on a T if you own a M. But if you have the 35 FLE I wouldn't hesitate to use it as a stunning 50 'lux on the T. Â The T certainly isn't made for M users, but if you ARE an M user, you'll find your M lenses perform really really well on the T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #39 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Why advertising the T surrounded by M lenses then? And what's the point of using 6-bit coding for the M adapter if the T makes no use of it to avoid vignetting and red edge with M lenses? I fail to see any common sense in all that. Â Honest Injun - M lenses work great on the T - minimum vignetting and minimum red edges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 6, 2014 Share #40  Posted May 6, 2014 Sorry - missed this thread.First of all, the T is certainly not made for M users.  However - I've used it with a wide range of M lenses, and whilst I wouldn't dream of criticising Sean's tests at close range, I've found it works really well with all the M lenses I've tested.  There isn't much point in putting a 35 FLE on a T if you own a M. But if you have the 35 FLE I wouldn't hesitate to use it as a stunning 50 'lux on the T.  The T certainly isn't made for M users, but if you ARE an M user, you'll find your M lenses perform really really well on the T  sounds like dilemma  Film M user adopting T body as main body without relying on digital M bodies doesnt seem fit in any category above  It is not that I need to know, just a tease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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