dant Posted April 16, 2014 Share #1 Posted April 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Kinoptik Fulgior 1 3 50mm Noctilux for Leica Screw 39 | eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Hi dant, Take a look here Kinoptik Fulgior...why so expensive?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sabears Posted April 16, 2014 Share #2 Posted April 16, 2014 Kinoptik Fulgior 1 3 50mm Noctilux for Leica Screw 39 | eBay No reason at all, IMHO! cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 16, 2014 Share #3 Posted April 16, 2014 Adding the word "Noctilux" is the reason.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 16, 2014 Share #4 Posted April 16, 2014 Exactly.... ; it is a rare lens, but an item for Italian Rectaflex was sold time ago at about 1/4th... the aperture tends more to Summi than Nocti... but is worth to try with that magic name... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 16, 2014 Share #5 Posted April 16, 2014 isn't it an "home made" piece? It has Elmar mount. You may find occasionally other exotic lenses with Elmar, sometimes even Zorki/FED mounts offered from Poland. To make things clear - I am not questioning the quality of work, just the price is strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 16, 2014 Share #6 Posted April 16, 2014 isn't it an "home made" piece? .... By sure, I'd say... I doubt Kinoptik ever listed this lens in LTM Mount.... time ago I remember to have seen for sale this lens in M Mount (with RF coupling) , clearly stating that it was a (finely)home made work.... don't remember the price asked, but surely not in this range... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2014 Share #7 Posted April 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) To make things clear - I am not questioning the quality of work, just the price is strange. Nice work if you can get it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted April 17, 2014 Share #8 Posted April 17, 2014 This example, along with the opening bids for the upcoming Westlicht Auction, suggests there are now ultra-rich folks in the camera collector market for whom price is no object. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 17, 2014 Share #9 Posted April 17, 2014 By sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 17, 2014 Share #10 Posted April 17, 2014 Take a look at the sellers feedback score of 98.2, which is well below the level I would consider reasonable. The negative feedback comments show that the seller is one to avoid and ships goods that are not as described or are faulty. The seller has other highly priced items for sale such as - Angeniux 50/1.5 for $12,500 - Zeiss Ikon Contaflex TLR for $12,000 - Dallmeyer 44/1.9 for $12,000 I'm not familiar with the market for these items but they seem to be priced at the high end of the scale assuming of course that the description is accurate and you receive what's advertised. Personally I think I'd give this seller a miss. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted April 18, 2014 Share #11 Posted April 18, 2014 Take a look at the sellers feedback score of 98.2, which is well below the level I would consider reasonable. Pete. actually 98.2% means little taken on its own... Consider this scenario: ebay Seller A has has sold 10,000 items and has a feedback rating of %50 whilst ebay seller B has sold 100 items with a rating at 100%... who do you trust? Dig a little deeper: Seller A has recieved positive feedback for 9999 of the items he sold. Only problem is he has only sold 2 items in the last 12 months- and the buyer of one of those items (with 0% feedback) left negative feedback because it took 10 days to get his 99 cent item posted halfway around the world... Seller B on the other hand has received negative feedback for 25 of the 100 items he sold- but he has only sold one item in the last 12 months - for which he got a positive. Now who do you trust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted April 18, 2014 Share #12 Posted April 18, 2014 Having said all of that- even reading between the lines- that seller does not have the best feedback. It seems their descriptions are not the most accurate- at all times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 18, 2014 Share #13 Posted April 18, 2014 Having said all of that- even reading between the lines- that seller does not have the best feedback. It seems their descriptions are not the most accurate- at all times. Yes... the addition of the term "Noctilux" in the description is silly and sounds no serious to any people in the field... and when one sells an item at this price, one would expect a detailed description: specifying also, in this case, that the Leica mount is a modification, which imho is a sure fact.. they even do not state that there is RF coupling , which seems to be from the pics (Elmar mount....) but isn't always so for modified lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 18, 2014 Share #14 Posted April 18, 2014 actually 98.2% means little taken on its own…… Now who do you trust? Jaques, I entirely agree and having been using ebay for more than a decade I have learnt not to use the feedback score alone as a reason to trust a seller. Since ebay changed the rules for buyers and prevented sellers from leaving buyers negative feedback and changed the way feedback percentage is calculated to exclude anything beyond 12 months, it has provided a 'mask' for some unscrupulous sellers who also have poor buying behaviour (surprise, surprise). But of course the main thing is that ebay is still raking in the billions so that must be okay.:roll eyes: (This is not meant to start a rant thread about greedy ebay.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 20, 2014 Share #15 Posted April 20, 2014 The same gentleman is offering a Voigtlander 1.5/50 Nokton for 3600$ and a “mint” (damage visible on image) box for a Tele-Elmar for 600$ -amongst other gems of optimism:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 20, 2014 Share #16 Posted April 20, 2014 The same gentleman is offering a Voigtlander 1.5/50 Nokton for 3600$ and a “mint” (damage visible on image) box for a Tele-Elmar for 600$ -amongst other gems of optimism:rolleyes: He also describes the item as "Clean lens, no scratches, no fungus, no separation and no haze”, which I suppose is accurate-ish considering that there are no lens elements to separate, become infected with fungus, or to develop haze. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 23, 2014 Share #17 Posted April 23, 2014 Well... The 600USD item seems to be a box WITH a lens inside... maybe the seller intended to write "boxed"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 23, 2014 Share #18 Posted April 23, 2014 That still leaves a 4x overpriced Nokton, a weirdly underpriced albeit improbable Leica prototype lens: Elmar R 4 180mm not Number Prototype for Leica R | eBay And a wildly optimistic Elmarit-R 28 @ 2200$….. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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