Exodies Posted March 29, 2014 Share #21 Posted March 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You can buy smart phone apps which show frame lines on the camera view; you select your lenses from a database. On the iPhone, the widest lens simulated is 35mm without adding a wide angle clip-on lens. For me the requirement is to see what the lens I am waiting to buy will show me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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diogenis Posted March 29, 2014 Share #22 Posted March 29, 2014 That's gone with the M. Now I have to put on the lens to see the new view. Guessing is the new frame selector. Big design mistake ! IMHO...R I am glad I kept the M9P! Rafael But the mechanical lever, besides the extra added costs was a little confusing as it always showed the framelines of 2 different lenses. Also, it couldn't quite cover the whole of leica lenses, you could not see framing for a wide lens for example... So it was a partial solution and a remnant of the past. Besides, from your current lens fov it is quite easy to predict framing of x2 or x3 long from seeing through your VF. The opposite is hard as it always was: /2 /3 etc... So, not that big of a deal imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted March 29, 2014 Share #23 Posted March 29, 2014 You can buy smart phone apps which show frame lines on the camera view; you select your lenses from a database. On the iPhone, the widest lens simulated is 35mm without adding a wide angle clip-on lens. For me the requirement is to see what the lens I am waiting to buy will show me. here are some calculators for this http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/calc.htm you can check FoV both in degrees and also specify dimensions a subject and a lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted March 29, 2014 Share #24 Posted March 29, 2014 I'm on your side, Rafael. The frame preview feature has always been both uniquely Leica and a feature I've used regularly. Sorry to see it go. A simple way to implement this is an electronic frame selector. Otherwise I'm afraid it will be a unique feature of a new high-end camera. The feature will cost $ 1.000 then :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 29, 2014 Share #25 Posted March 29, 2014 Get a manual zoom finder. Short side of 35 is long side of 50. short side of 50 is long side of 90. That is why most lens focals are made with a multiplier of 1.4. Oh and 24 is double 50. So short side if 24 is long side of 35. 28 is an orphan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted March 29, 2014 Share #26 Posted March 29, 2014 Get a manual zoom finder. Short side of 35 is long side of 50. short side of 50 is long side of 90. That is why most lens focals are made with a multiplier of 1.4. Oh and 24 is double 50. So short side if 24 is long side of 35. 28 is an orphan. Hey, i didnt know that, cool bit of info ! Heres another one - if you double the focal length, it gives you 1/4 the field of view (so a 50mm gives you 1/4 of the view through 24mm framelines) Im new to Leica, and have an M so i dont miss the frameline selector, but i also have a fair idea of what different lenses will get me after many years of shooting SLRs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 29, 2014 Share #27 Posted March 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...The frame preview feature has always been both uniquely Leica and a feature I've used regularly. Sorry to see it go. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 29, 2014 Share #28 Posted March 29, 2014 I've only used a 50mm on my M240 and I've never used another rangefinder. I was curious to see the other framelines and I detached the lens while the camera was on (not live view of course) and I saw the 35mm frame lines (I think those were the 35mm). I hope that it wasn't a bonehead move. I'm interested in a 28mm but I really have no idea how the frame lines look like. That's an easy one-it's everything in the frame. You might have to look left, right, up and down with glasses, but it's still everything in the OVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafael_macia Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share #29 Posted March 30, 2014 I appreciate all the suggestions and points of view. In short, the loss of the preview lever seems to affect me, more than it does most. And I am resigned now, to live with the loss. So thanks all! Rafael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted March 30, 2014 Share #30 Posted March 30, 2014 Rafael, thanks for posting. Some here seem to take a male pride in not using the preview lever. I for one found it most helpful at concerts I shoot. Usually in one seat while size of ensemble may change from a dozen to 50 musicians or more. May need 50, 35 or 24. Having the lever made it easier. The majority of my shooting use it less frequently but once in a while it saved changing lenses which is good with dirty digital process. That said, isn't it like video, EVF or auto ISO and auto exposure? If you want it, it's there and if not forget it. So....prefer it be available. Is it commiting a crime? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 30, 2014 Share #31 Posted March 30, 2014 30 years of shooting with M bodies and I've used the selector a hand full of times. I realize this is personal preference, but you should be able understand the difference between your lenses before you even put them on the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted March 30, 2014 Share #32 Posted March 30, 2014 Removing the lever was a mistake; not so much for previewing other lenses field of view: I use the level on my M6,M9,MM as a horizontal level or vertical edge alignment aid. The M240 EVF should have had this covered - but I believe it still cannot overlay the accelerometer horizon = FAIL On the M240 I also think the opportunity was missed to retain the lever as a software re-definable input i.e. the user could assign it to frame preview; +/-EV for backlighting/snow etc. ; WB or ISO up/down etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted March 31, 2014 Share #33 Posted March 31, 2014 Put a 28mm or 90mm on your M240 and move the lens in the mount at the point just before it clicks into place. You should be able to see all three sets of frames in turn and switch between them. If you haven't got a 28 or 90 then I'm afraid you are stuffed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 31, 2014 Share #34 Posted March 31, 2014 On the M240 I also think the opportunity was missed to retain the lever as a software re-definable input i.e. the user could assign it to frame preview; +/-EV for backlighting/snow etc. ; WB or ISO up/down etc. etc. How would that work? The lever is fully mechanical. The frames are little masks which move in/out of the viewfinder. There's no electronics involved apart from the backlit led illumination, instead of ambient light as with previous M's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted March 31, 2014 Share #35 Posted March 31, 2014 How would that work? The lever is fully mechanical. The frames are little masks which move in/out of the viewfinder. There's no electronics involved apart from the backlit led illumination, instead of ambient light as with previous M's. Your right it is still mechanical. But why not decouple that and use a backlit LCD for the frame lines - as per the ancient Ricoh GR1. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224363-eliminating-the-frame-selector-was-a-huge-mistake/?do=findComment&comment=2559940'>More sharing options...
swamiji Posted March 31, 2014 Share #36 Posted March 31, 2014 While the lever is mechanical, the mount is not completely. When you use the MATE, and select the different focal lengths, it does change the exif information, and the frame lines. So there is no reason not provide the same information electronically. You could select just the frame line for the lens you have mounted, or any combination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 31, 2014 Share #37 Posted March 31, 2014 While the lever is mechanical, the mount is not completely. When you use the MATE, and select the different focal lengths, it does change the exif information, and the frame lines. So there is no reason not provide the same information electronically. You could select just the frame line for the lens you have mounted, or any combination. It IS a mechanical link. The bayonet lug triggers the relevant frames - moving focal length on the MATE moves the same part. Coding provides the exif data (I think there's also a switch linked to the frame selector). It's possible to change the way the frames work, but not without redesigning the way the lens works with the camera which would mean all the current/old lenses wouldn't work & would require manual selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 31, 2014 Share #38 Posted March 31, 2014 Your right it is still mechanical. But why not decouple that and use a backlit LCD for the frame lines - as per the ancient Ricoh GR1. As per my post above. You would have to manually select the frames each time. Assuming the rangefinder could be redesigned to an LCD type without needing a major redesign of the whole camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted March 31, 2014 Share #39 Posted March 31, 2014 +1 +2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted March 31, 2014 Share #40 Posted March 31, 2014 As per my post above. You would have to manually select the frames each time. Assuming the rangefinder could be redesigned to an LCD type without needing a major redesign of the whole camera. It would only take a small microswitch to pick up the mechanical input from the bayonet. If the 6 bit code information is also included, it would then also be possible to electronically show just a single frame - for those who like less VF clutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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