Herr Barnack Posted March 24, 2014 Share #1  Posted March 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I did some research on Gorilla Glass, which is used to protect the LCD screen on the M240. There are three generations of Gorilla Glass - Gorilla Glass 1, GG 2 and GG 3. Does anyone know which version Leica used on the M240 LCD screen?  What I found out about Gorilla Glass 3 was a bit of an eye opener. Sapphire mineral glass - the "glass" used in the crystals of Rolex watches, is said to be 2 1/2 times harder than Gorilla Glass 3. The Mohs rating of sapphire glass is 9, where the Mohs rating of Gorilla Glass is 6; big difference (some sources say Gorilla Glass is a 7 on the Mohs scale so I'm not sure exactly what the correct Mohs rating is).  Gorilla glass is also supposedly suscetible to scratching by keys, coins, sand, gravel, etc. according to the gents in this video  However: There's this which seems to contradict that claim: Gorilla Glass Scratch Test (Torture) - YouTube (although it looks to me like the guy in this second video did manage to scratch the Gorilla Glass on the phone he has - look carefully ath the 1:05 mark and again at 1:36 of the clip and you will see what certainly looks loke scratches).  Given all the above, I have to wonder if M240 owners are having problems with their LCD screens scratching. I have not heard of widespread scratching issues, but I am wondering how the M240 LCD screen glass is holding up so far?  Any information along these lines will be greatly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tobey bilek Posted March 24, 2014 Share #2 Â Posted March 24, 2014 I cover all the camera LCD`s with cell phone protectors including old soft ones up to the M9P Sapphire , although it may have pealed off that camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 24, 2014 Share #3 Â Posted March 24, 2014 Same here, I'm not unduly worried about the Sapphire glass on my MM but have covered the LCD of my M with a cut down iPhone screen protector. I think it will do enough without spending unnecessary amounts on pointless over protection. Either way, both are far better than plastic. Â Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 24, 2014 Share #4 Â Posted March 24, 2014 Well I have a Giottos screen protector on all of my Leica digital cameras so I never worry about the screens. I also like the improved contrast especially in bright light. I have only ever had one protector cracked (whilst fitted to the M9). It was very easily replaced with no damage to the underlying camera LCD screen. Â The Giottos SP83022 Schott Glass screen protector is a near-perfect fit on the LCD of the Leica M 240. I had this confirmed by Giottos before I went ahead and bought it but this model was also recommended by a forum member in an older thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted March 25, 2014 Share #5 Â Posted March 25, 2014 My M9 very quickly acquired a small scratch from contact with my jacket buttons. I fitted an Acmaxx screen protector which prevented any further scratches. The M9 screen is made of a plastic material which is notoriously easy to damage. Â When My M240 arrived the first thing I did was to fit a screen protector. I have no doubt that gorilla glass is an improvement but it clearly is not as good as sapphire. Perhaps we will hear from forum members who have been brave enough to leave the screen on their M240s unprotected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted March 25, 2014 Share #6 Â Posted March 25, 2014 I don't care about the scratches on the LCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonmember Posted March 25, 2014 Share #7 Â Posted March 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I have a Giottos screen protector on all of my Leica digital cameras so I never worry about the screens. I also like the improved contrast especially in bright light.I have only ever had one protector cracked (whilst fitted to the M9). It was very easily replaced with no damage to the underlying camera LCD screen. Â The Giottos SP83022 Schott Glass screen protector is a near-perfect fit on the LCD of the Leica M 240. I had this confirmed by Giottos before I went ahead and bought it but this model was also recommended by a forum member in an older thread. Â Yes i bought one in B&H on a New York trip last month Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 26, 2014 Share #8 Â Posted March 26, 2014 There are some scratches on my M9 but I do not think the resale price is cut by half. If they slap a sapphire glass on the M240, are you willing to pay US$9000 for it? It's camera, not a jewelry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted March 26, 2014 Share #9 Â Posted March 26, 2014 There are some scratches on my M9 but I do not think the resale price is cut by half.If they slap a sapphire glass on the M240, are you willing to pay US$9000 for it? It's camera, not a jewelry. Â No, I would not but I do not mind paying $15 for a Acmaxx screen protector. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 26, 2014 Share #10 Â Posted March 26, 2014 I do not have any form of screen protector on my M Type 240 and after a year of significant use, it is completely unmarked. Â The polycarbonate of the original M8 and M9 was soft and the glass on my M8u's and M9-P is sapphire and perfect. Â It's a trade off between cost and durability and it does amuse me how people obsess about marks on the LCD but do not care about wear on the top and bottom of the camera. Â Besides, there have been instances of screen protectors etching into the underlying glass. Far better to stop babying the cameras and get out and use them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share #11  Posted April 9, 2014 ...Besides, there have been instances of screen protectors etching into the underlying glass...Are you referring to glass screen protectors or soft screen protectors? I have been using these Sensei Cut-to-Size Soft LCD Screen Protector (12 Pack) SPS-DS they are like PVC static cling decals that stick to glass with no adhesive. Since there is no adhesive involved, the issue that arises is that they come off frequently.  I'm about ready to give up on these protectors and just be careful with my M when using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted April 9, 2014 Share #12 Â Posted April 9, 2014 I don't use any protector on the screen. For me, it seems unnecessary. I do however use the excellent ever ready case which covers and protects the screen and camera during normal use, with the added benefit of providing extra grip. I would recommend this route... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesurf Posted April 10, 2014 Share #13  Posted April 10, 2014 Well I have a Giottos screen protector on all of my Leica digital cameras so I never worry about the screens. I also like the improved contrast especially in bright light.I have only ever had one protector cracked (whilst fitted to the M9). It was very easily replaced with no damage to the underlying camera LCD screen.  The Giottos SP83022 Schott Glass screen protector is a near-perfect fit on the LCD of the Leica M 240. I had this confirmed by Giottos before I went ahead and bought it but this model was also recommended by a forum member in an older thread.  Yes i bought one in B&H on a New York trip last month  I'm another fan of Giottos; great product and it seems to provide better clarity and contrast, but ultimately it's just nice protection.  For the OT, there seems to be a good deal of Gorilla vs Sapphire due to the coming iPhone 6; here are a couple of articles I found interesting with opposing views:  Corning Incorporated (GLW) news: Corning's Gorilla Glass Is Optically Superior To Sapphire - Seeking Alpha  Sapphire Unscratchable | The Obscure Analyst  As far as screen protectors, I have found most reduce clarity with the exception of the Power Support product, which is pretty much only cut for the smartphone market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted April 10, 2014 Share #14 Â Posted April 10, 2014 I haven't taken the protective film that came over the LCD off yet - just cut off the corner tab that you are supposed to use to lift it off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted April 10, 2014 Share #15 Â Posted April 10, 2014 Mohs scale refers to scratch resistance only, but diamonds that are 10 on this scale break very easily due to their internal structure. Sapphire is way better in this respect. I am personally more concerned about scratching the coatings of the LCD not the glass itself. Gorilla glass, rated at 6 or 7 should not be scratched by metallic objects, which are much lower on Mohs scale. But it is very very brittle, as accounted by the so many iPhones with broken screens. Sapphire would be a great idea and it is not as expensive as you are led to believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendriphile Posted April 10, 2014 Share #16 Â Posted April 10, 2014 ... it does amuse me how people obsess about marks on the LCD but do not care about wear on the top and bottom of the camera.. Â Not to mention scratch marks on the front element of the lens! You should see all the threads out there (some of them many pages long) of debate about using a protective hood or high-quality filter to protect the multi-thousand dollar lens investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share #17 Â Posted April 12, 2014 Not to mention scratch marks on the front element of the lens! You should see all the threads out there (some of them many pages long) of debate about using a protective hood or high-quality filter to protect the multi-thousand dollar lens investment. Â I am mindful of scratches, gouges, scuffs, dings, etc. everywhere on my M camera and lenses. I do the best I can to care for them, protect them and not let them get damaged - but I still use them. Â M cameras and lenses were built with the intent of actually using them, not polishing them, displaying them on a silk pillow in a glass case and fetishizing them. Â To each his/her own, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Jones Posted April 12, 2014 Share #18 Â Posted April 12, 2014 I try to look after my M's but I came to see the sapphire M8.2 and M9p screens as over engineering. I've scratched them all at some point but it's never affected the pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendriphile Posted April 12, 2014 Share #19 Â Posted April 12, 2014 I am mindful of scratches, gouges, scuffs, dings, etc. everywhere on my M camera and lenses. I do the best I can to care for them, protect them and not let them get damaged - but I still use them. Â M cameras and lenses were built with the intent of actually using them, not polishing them, displaying them on a silk pillow in a glass case and fetishizing them. Â To each his/her own, though. Â Indeed. The late Ferry Porsche said, "My cars are designed to be driven, not polished." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 12, 2014 Share #20  Posted April 12, 2014 Just using an inexpensive ScreenGuard screen protector. Almost invisible and i've never had to replace the first pack since day one. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224175-scratching-the-lcd-screen-on-the-m240/?do=findComment&comment=2567239'>More sharing options...
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