hamey Posted March 14, 2014 Share #101 Posted March 14, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) With dust and finger marks I simply place the slide film under running water and rub gently and then leave to dry, never has been a problem. Unfortunately Jaap, I have had some scratches but not a major issues whenever I scan them on my Minolta 5400-2 it does a wonderful job. This image was shot in 1971 0n AGFA CT18, the slide was a real mess with gunk, scratches, and some colour fade, the Minolta 5400 -2 cleaned the whole thing, however I do apologies because it was taken on the Minolta SR-T 101 my first SLR and going off topic. Ken. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/223447-would-you-upgrade-to-m360-for-9000/?do=findComment&comment=2549380'>More sharing options...
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lct Posted March 14, 2014 Share #102 Posted March 14, 2014 You lost me here. 9000 $ = 6500 Euro. I refer to actual prices Jaap. 7000$ = 6200€ in Leica land. Actual prices in round figures paid in USA and EU respectively. So a 9000$ body in the USA would sell for about 8000€ in EU right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 14, 2014 Share #103 Posted March 14, 2014 No, I would not pay $9,000 for an M with 36 meg. I think breaching a certain level of resolution is counter-intuitive to the under-lying purpose of a rangefinder, and is pandering to those who use the camera in ways it wasn't originally designed for … (i.e., rangefinder photography), which traditionally has meant spontaneous, hand-held explorations of the world around us. What level of resolution may be the limit (24 meg? 36 meg? More?) I do not know, but I do know that 36 meg isn't easy to fully realize hand-held in many lighting conditions. I would buy the next M IF it used technology to contribute to that rangefinder purpose. Even quieter, even faster, even more sure and reliable … and they fixed the color rendering (a polarizing topic well debated with distinct camps and arguments. Suffice it to say if it is the same as the M240, no, I wouldn't buy a new M no matter what else they do to it). For example, in-camera stabilization of the sensor is just such an improvement that would contribute to those low light rangefinder type images, and perhaps get more out of those incredible new optics. A built-in diopter would be quite useful since eyes don't always conform to .5 differences like screw ins, and those eyes can change fairly fast after turning 50 years old. My 2¢ on a very expensive piece of gear, that will remain expensive as long as it remains unique, and true to that uniqueness. - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 14, 2014 Share #104 Posted March 14, 2014 I refer to actual prices Jaap. 7000$ = 6200€ in Leica land. Actual prices in round figures paid in USA and EU respectively. So a 9000$ body in the USA would sell for about 8000€ in EU right? The difference you see is VAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted March 14, 2014 Share #105 Posted March 14, 2014 Down here in Melbourne Australia, I can pick up the M240 for around 8.500$ Aus, by the time I add the EVF and the R-M adapter It goes over 9000, and if you also add the half case or hand grip and extra battery it goes over 10,000$. So what will Leica charge on the next model. Frankly I am still trying to justify it. So in the mean time I will play with my M7 and other Leica R models. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 14, 2014 Share #106 Posted March 14, 2014 The difference you see is VAT. Just comparing current prices to customers. Leica sells ex VAT to EU and non-EU dealers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #107 Posted March 15, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) After an M8, M9, MM and M240, I don't see the point of again spending a ridiculous amount of money on an outdated concept, and finding out yet again that the latest M still remains behind the curve. I've already upgraded from the M240....to a couple of Fuji X-E2's. Photo quality is approximately equal, low light performance is better, start-up time is in a different league, they are lighter, and I can drop them without having a panic attack. Yes, Fuji is also very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #108 Posted March 15, 2014 Bernd: There is logic in what you say but it will almost surely fall on deaf ears. Leica will charge a lot more than $5000 for the successor to the M240. The reason is that the market will allow them to get away with it. They are not a not-for-profit organization seeking to benefit their clients. They are a profit-maximizing company, owned by profit maximizers, and like it or not they will do exactly that. I would not even call it price gouging because it isn't as if there are no alternatives to Leica products. If they lose some sales to customers who cannot pay the asking price, they will assume they will make up those lost sales on customers who can and will pay -- unless, as you note, the market becomes so saturated that the math no longer works. But Leica sales are so small that it is not likely they will find the market saturated. Look what happened with the $7000 M240. They couldn't meet demand. Perhaps it is the difference between "need" and "want". "Need" may be logical concept but "want" is not. I read someplace that it costs Leica $3000 to make an M240. If it is true, I guess that is a fair profit for them, the dealers and all the Leica store overhead. But I and most everyone else would like the $5k Leica though. Leica was in big $ trouble a few years ago, so if we wish them to stay in biz they have to turn a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #109 Posted March 15, 2014 Stop chasing pixels after 24. Perhaps even less. My M9P seems to offer all I want. I have reflex cameras and a viso + all the lenses for close and tele work. I still consider my M8 a decent camera I kept 5 R lenses plus 400 & 560. They adapt to Nikon. I love my Leica lenses which is why I put up with digital M. Well, scanned 35mm color negative film is about 3 or 4 mp. So above that it is all a gift... Camera Comparisons I am pretty happy with 24mp M and 18mp MM. I also have 2 - 645D's if I need more. (40mp) And in dirty, dangerous areas I use 12mp m43 and 16mp Fuji X. But none of them offer the joy of shooting with the Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #110 Posted March 15, 2014 Well the premiss of the is silly. The price of the M240 is the same as the M9 at introduction. Their is no reason to believe a M360 would be any higher. Even the MM is about the same price as a M9p. So the question should be, Would you upgrade to the next M just for higher MP? The answer to that is camera independent. You can't go by that. If it was true there would never be a raise in price. Every new model would sell for the same as the previous model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #111 Posted March 15, 2014 Yes, well what you're really saying is that Canon is better than Leica. We could have that discussion, but it has pretty obviously nothing to do with this thread, not to mention that it has been discussed ad nauseam. I guess one question, given that this is a sub-forum for people who own, or are interested in, the M 240, is why you would pop up - as someone who not only doesn't own an M240, but apparently no Leica digital camera - for no apparent purpose than to list a bunch of reasons why you think your Canon is better. Rather odd. Canon may be better at certain things. But the loud and big Canon is not better at certain things as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #112 Posted March 15, 2014 I think the 240 closed some technological gaps over previous M cameras (such as live view and video). Given the minimalist philosophy, its difficult to see where Leica could add significant functionality that would justify spending that much money to displace my M. I don't think just adding megapixels will do that. Offering significant dynamic range improvements would be a good area to focus on. Though, I'm quite impressed with the way the current 240 works in that respect. minimalist philosophy...I hope they stick with it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #113 Posted March 15, 2014 I doubt that replacing the current M (Typ 240) is a pressing concern for Leica at the moment. And of course a $9000 price tag would be quite ridiculous. Ah, and by the way: even if a new M had a 36 MP sensor, that would not imply it would get a Typ 360 designation. Leica’s Typ numbers don’t usually correspond to the number of megapixels in any way. I just threw it out there to see where everyone is at. Leica charges on the top end of the price range. Ever buy a Leica body or rear lens cap? A new Leica shoulder strap? So, $9000 is not out of the question. But, it is just for conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 15, 2014 Share #114 Posted March 15, 2014 I read someplace that it costs Leica $3000 to make an M240. ... "Someplace"? I read in the same place that someone had parked a double-decker bus on the moon. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted March 15, 2014 Share #115 Posted March 15, 2014 I read someplace that it costs Leica $3000 to make an M240. That, give or take a few hundred, is in about the right range for the current retail prices of a high quality, low quantity precision product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted March 15, 2014 Share #116 Posted March 15, 2014 "Someplace"? I read in the same place that someone had parked a double-decker bus on the moon. Pete. Is there a photo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted March 15, 2014 Share #117 Posted March 15, 2014 I have hardly used my M9 since my wife gave me a IPhone 4s. It is my most used camera these days. Since I carry it everywhere and can send pictures directly to social media on internet. I have Canon 1Ds III that I use occasionally. It is best with tele lenses and the three EX550 flashes I use at more 'formal' occasions. M(240)? Every time I have tried to buy it it was not available in the shops. Last time I did serious tries was in Singapore a year ago. I will not go there this year, but may be next. But I can live with the M9. We are doing a short 'European round trip' just after Easter. Oslo - Kiel - Hamburg - Köln - Paris - London then we fly home again. Then I will bring my M9 along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 16, 2014 Share #118 Posted March 16, 2014 Is there a photo? Of course! It's here. The bus is parked just behind the bomber. (The people from someplace mentioned the bomber later.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted March 16, 2014 Share #119 Posted March 16, 2014 No, I would not upgrade to the M360, if it were $9K. I have already upgraded to 36mpx with the A7R. With the M8, I decided to skip the M9. But last year I bought the M240. I shoot mainly landscape, usually with a tripod and even though the M240 with M lenses can produced excellent results, the A7R at a fraction of the M240 price is even better, especially with some of my R lenses. The M240 could well be my last M. I am certain there will be Leicaphiles who will pay US9K or even more to have the privilege to carry the red dot. To some of them it is like a bragging right to carry an exclusive brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted March 16, 2014 Share #120 Posted March 16, 2014 You can't go by that. If it was true there would never be a raise in price. Every new model would sell for the same as the previous model. You can't go by real world pricing? You can trust however somebodies imaginary price. Market price is not set by features, but by what the market will bare. Each item has a price point set at design time. Leica believes the current price is correct. While I don't think the current price point will hold, I am certain a fifty percent increase would kill its market. M7/P 5k M8 6k M9 7k M240 7k It depends on how many units Leica intends on selling. The higher the price, the fewer units. Fewer the units, the fewer the lenses or accessories. There is a huge mark up on accessories, or haven't you noticed? All this makes up the final price, and obviously Leica likes it's current price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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