albireo_double Posted March 16, 2014 Share #121 Posted March 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see no point increasing the megapixel count for a camera that's supposed to be used handheld and at slow shutter speeds. The biggest improvements in my book that Leica could bring in the next M model would be : (i) sensor that does not get dirty all the time (the sensor on my Pentax K3 is still clean, after two months of frequent use) (ii) rendering same/similar as M9 or S2 (iii) thinner body (iv) integrated handgrip or a better shaped removable one (e.g. like the one on Pentax LX); materials on the outside that don't make my bare hands freeze in cold weather; yes a half case is a solution, but one that makes it slow to change batteries, cards. (v) maybe EVF in the body with well implemented focus peaking, instead of a rangefinder, but that would be a different camera completely I would be tempted if they introduced a parallel model of a more "basic" camera, sold at a price around 4000-5000 EUR, weather proof and really tough (so that it doesn't need to be pampered in a fashionable bag but can be tossed in a rucksack, as is). Less of a gentleman's camera, even though I fully understand the appeal of the "elegant" M as it is now. So no, if they bring a more expensive 36MP camera that is otherwise same/similar to the M240, especially in terms of rendering, then I would not be tempted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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intermediatic Posted March 17, 2014 Share #122 Posted March 17, 2014 Larfs! I brought a Canon 5DMK2 and a gaggle of L glass to Hong Kong and Tokyo far an extended photography tour with a buddy. We also brought along a Sony RX-100 and, of course, my M 240 with my Leica and Voigtlander glass. The first day we went out with the RX-100 in his hand and the M 240 with me. He'd previously used my 5DMK2 and I asked him if he'd like to switch, no he said, the RX-100 was pretty darn nice to use. I didn't think twice. And so it went…*In the end, we had one regret. That I brought that darned heavy kit with me! It never got taken out of my bag. Not once! I mean why? Hard to use, hunt-hunt-hunt auto-focus, heavy, in-your-face, and image quality that was nowhere near that of the M 240. The RX-100 had it hands down in terms of convenience over the 5D but we both agreed that the M 240 won the day. Case closed! M 240 it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackdlens Posted March 17, 2014 Share #123 Posted March 17, 2014 No, I would not upgrade to the M360, if it were $9K. I have already upgraded to 36mpx with the A7R. With the M8, I decided to skip the M9. But last year I bought the M240. I shoot mainly landscape, usually with a tripod and even though the M240 with M lenses can produced excellent results, the A7R at a fraction of the M240 price is even better, especially with some of my R lenses. The M240 could well be my last M. I bought the a7R also.... hate to admit I sold my M9 (still have a M6), but kept the lenses. Bought and adapter for M, Hassey V, Mamiya and Canon plus the Sony Zeiss 55/1,8 . The a7R has been impressive to say the least...and it is the camera I take everywhere. Having not owned the M240 my opinion could be mute since it strays from the OPs question...but I think Sony has already jumped past this level and one can use the awesome array (most of them) of M lenses. After 36 Mpix, I'm looking at MF level in my mind with massive sized prints. Photokina may show us something different though. So we shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted March 17, 2014 Share #124 Posted March 17, 2014 I don't need more megapixels. I need a faster buffer, no red edges on wide angle lenses, and better video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted March 17, 2014 Share #125 Posted March 17, 2014 $9k is approaching medium format pricing. I think that price will be outside of what I am comfortable spending for a sub-MF camera. More than the price, I would be concerned about the type of shutter speeds required for camera shake to be not visible in a 36mp camera. I'm one of the few m series (M9) users who uses the camera mounted on a tripod more than I use it without one. Despite that, I highly value the ease with which the Leica M series can be handheld and produce acceptably sharp results. I would it trade this for a higher mp count and the benefits it brings. The last sentence should be: I would *not* trade this for a higher mp count and the benefits it brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted March 17, 2014 Share #126 Posted March 17, 2014 For $9000 I would upgrade to a new M for sure. I suppose the purchase check would leave a rest of $2000 in my pocket which I would most likely spent on a new printer Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted March 18, 2014 Share #127 Posted March 18, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) If Leica announced a new 36 mp M in the works for $9000 USD. And most other features were the same as M(240. Would you upgrade? If you would upgrade, do you have an upper limit for the mp size that you would stop upgrading at? Or will you pretty much be moving up in mp size as sensors do? No. I have a D800 and it cost 1/3 that price and probably will still be a better performer than the imagined 36mp M you proposed. I am content to stick with the M8 for the foreseeable future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted March 18, 2014 Share #128 Posted March 18, 2014 I bought the a7R also.... hate to admit I sold my M9 (still have a M6), but kept the lenses. Bought and adapter for M, Hassey V, Mamiya and Canon plus the Sony Zeiss 55/1,8 . The a7R has been impressive to say the least...and it is the camera I take everywhere. Having not owned the M240 my opinion could be mute since it strays from the OPs question...but I think Sony has already jumped past this level and one can use the awesome array (most of them) of M lenses. After 36 Mpix, I'm looking at MF level in my mind with massive sized prints. Photokina may show us something different though. So we shall see. I sold my F1 Noctilux and is looking to get another 50. The Sony/Zeiss FE 55 could be my first E mount lens. I have read good things about this lens. What is your experience? Thanks, Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 18, 2014 Share #129 Posted March 18, 2014 A Zeiss lens on a Sony camera. Are you sure you are asking in the right forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted March 18, 2014 Share #130 Posted March 18, 2014 A Zeiss lens on a Sony camera. Are you sure you are asking in the right forum? Why not? It's a photography forum isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 18, 2014 Share #131 Posted March 18, 2014 Yes - but one might expect a more reliable answer on a Sony/Zeiss forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torgian Posted March 18, 2014 Share #132 Posted March 18, 2014 Someone tell me why anything higher than what the m-240 already has is necessary? Honestly, a 16 m-pixel seems to be enough for normal photography work. The only thing that more megapixels achieves is a bigger file you need to go through. For printing billboards? Sure. You'll have a really beautiful billboard picture with 30+ megapixels. But for your normal sized print? Why? WHY? I honestly can't see the need. Waste of time and money in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 18, 2014 Share #133 Posted March 18, 2014 … But for your normal sized print? Why? WHY? I honestly can't see the need. Waste of time and money in my opinion. We'll put your name down for two then? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 19, 2014 Share #134 Posted March 19, 2014 Someone tell me why anything higher than what the m-240 already has is necessary? Honestly, a 16 m-pixel seems to be enough for normal photography work. The only thing that more megapixels achieves is a bigger file you need to go through. For printing billboards? Sure. You'll have a really beautiful billboard picture with 30+ megapixels. But for your normal sized print? Why? WHY? I honestly can't see the need. Waste of time and money in my opinion. I would bet that if we go back far enough, there will be similar emails about how 8mp or 12 mp or 16 mp is more than enough and that the poster "did not see the need". At one point, that was me, and it was about 10mp, which I thought was all I would ever need. Fact is the technology is advancing and when new sensors are announced they often (not always) have improvements that go beyond the sheer number of mp and go to dynamic range, high iso performance and other attributes. If those are not of value, then of course stay with what you have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 19, 2014 Share #135 Posted March 19, 2014 Very true. However, I cannot for the life of me see much wrong with the photographs I took with the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschone Posted March 19, 2014 Share #136 Posted March 19, 2014 mmm..no, I skipped the M. For me, 18 MP good enough for handheld shooting: -M9 with 28, 35 and 50 summicron And to add in the future (not to upgrade): -Leica S 80 MP () -45 mm shift-tilt APO elmar () In that way i can stop stitching and focus stacking A7r pics... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 19, 2014 Share #137 Posted March 19, 2014 I'd like to see improvements on: reduction of color casting on any lens I slap onto the body grip needs to improve without adding accessories EVF & LiveView needs to have industry std reliability Focus Peaking implemented on in-camera rangefinder put chips on the lenses (tired of incurracte f-stops in EXIF) If chips are on lenses, no need for 6-bit coding: chip-up all new lenses All Leica lens profiles should available in Lightroom AllZeiss ZM lens profiles should be available in Lightroom I know the last two has nothing to do with the camera but Leica should know about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted March 20, 2014 Share #138 Posted March 20, 2014 NO I don't see how one can fully utilize any of our FF digital body and lenses as a system in such a short time, unless you are a collector or you just "want" the latest. Unless my camera broke and Leica ditch the price on fixing it, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 20, 2014 Share #139 Posted March 20, 2014 It would be interesting to track the people who definitely said they would not buy one, who are then on the thread “When is my M360 going to be delivered” in a few months time Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 20, 2014 Share #140 Posted March 20, 2014 To be honest I really loved my M9 and never imagined I'd upgrade to a 24mp equivalent. But I did because in terms of handling the M was an improvement in some extremely important ways, the viewfinder and shutter control being exemplary and worth the upgrade alone. It also enabled me to use a much wider variety of lenses, easily. And it gave me what, in my opinion, is slightly better image quality potential. But none of this was a direct result of the number of pixels involved. So whilst I'd certainly not pay more to have 36mp, I may find that the reality of the next M will be very tempting if it offers the same leap in overall quality that the M represents over the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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