MarkP Posted January 22, 2014 Share #101 Posted January 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's exactly that filmic noise/grain that to me is one of the Monochrom's most appealing attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Londonmember Posted January 22, 2014 Share #102 Posted January 22, 2014 I just received my new M yesterday. I have a Monochrom, and hadn't been using my M9 for a year, finally selling it last month. I've been on the fence with the M for a whole year, my main issue being ISO performance. I wanted at least two stops over the M9, which I found lost colour and got a lot of shadow noise after ISO800. Well, I'm stunned. I know the quality, shutter, RF etc improvements, but the sensor produces beautiful rich colours at ISO3200. An unexpected bonus is that my wonderful old OM Zuiko 18mm f3.5, 21mm f3.5 and 16mm Fisheye all perform beautifully with a Novoflex converter. No red edges! My super wide needs are met :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjbru Posted January 22, 2014 Share #103 Posted January 22, 2014 Hello, I have been using nNkon digital, beginning with a D 70 until the d 700 Leica is a better and a different world, you go closer to subjects and people, i use the nikon only for some sports photography. The M 240 is the best camera I have ever seen, the quality of the DNGs is just remarquable. I hadnbever a problem in the last 9 months. Its quieter than the m9, I ´ve been trying for a few weekks before buying the M. And at 2000 iso you get still excellent pictures with low noise. Only Rockwell thinks that the Fuji X 100s is "better", he even did not finish the review of the new leica in the last 4 months,... You can aleays find problems, talk about them for weeks, say the M9 was better. This is useless discussion. The only real problem is that its a real expensive camera. But if you change your Nikon every 2-3 years, things are different and the lenses do not play in the same class. I am perhaps an idealist, but too many people on these blogs complain. It would be better do use the camera and to show what we can do, as Ming Thein. He is just wunderful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted January 22, 2014 Share #104 Posted January 22, 2014 I received my Leica M last September and it is my first rangefinder. I have no regrets on the M240, but would have been happy using only a 50mm instead of starting with 4 lenses. I could have paired the M and 50mm with my Ricoh GR (28mm) and could have captured most of my memorable photos. Just returned from a Mexico vacation with the M and preferred the form factor over my DSLR. Hi David, off topic I know, but I have been thinking of the same option given how compact the Ricoh GR is and wanted your opinion. I already have the 28mm Elmarit Asph which is, itself, quite compact, but I want to avoid changing lenses if possible. Taking the M with a 50 or 75 permanently attached and the Ricoh alongside would make sense, if the results were acceptable. Are the results from the Ricoh acceptable -- does the IQ and overall 'style' of the image sit well mixed in with other pictures taken using the M? Would appreciate your report from the front line, as it were, and as a Leica user conditioned to the best quality available. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 22, 2014 Share #105 Posted January 22, 2014 I don't own one but the results from the Ricoh are very nice indeed. I would wait and see though if i were you as Leica could well launch an APS EVIL soon or late according to my crystal ball. The latter is a Sony though so take what i say with a pinch of salt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2014 Share #106 Posted January 22, 2014 In that case I would take an X1 (X2) and the 75... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted January 22, 2014 Share #107 Posted January 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) In this Forum I’ve detected several groups: People like me always accepting all Leitz does. We are not very objective. People married with the main DSLR brands, appearing from time to time laughing because they think they are using the only cameras must be considered. The ones having Leicas and other brands, permanently without knowing what to do if continuing with their wifes (Leicas) or changing them for their lovers (Sonys, Nikons, Canons,…) or v.v. The brand loyal ones but hypochondriacs, analyzing what is this failing, what does not work right, what should be improved urgently. In many cases it would be in peace if they had read the instructions with a little attention. And, professionals of photography ,doubting whether they could get to justify the investment to acquire or use Leicas (the cameras with which they would like to work really). Finally, a very large group of specialized technicians in various disciplines, interacting among them, engaged in teach us how a sensor should be manufactured to avoid a nano failure recently observed, in an endless post. To all of them I would like to say that when I was 18 my father bought me my first Leica (M3+Summicron 50 mm.); that means we are talking about 1956. Since then I’ve been living with a Leica at my side (or more than one) and have followed during my live the Leica History. I belive I’m authorized to say that the Leica M (240) is the best result of joining the older values with the new technologies without loosing quality and investment. I think many of us, as human beens would have liked to achieve this kind of growing. Actually I could now use my first Summicron with my last camera. ( It’s a fact I’m using today my old Apo-Telyt R 1:3,4 180 mm. with it). Please, all the ones always feeling unhappy, be calm and enjoy the piece of art you have in your hands. You have a rangefinder plus a SLRD with the best lenses.I know Leica M it’s not perfect, there is no enough money in our pockets to pay a perfect camera. Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2014 Share #108 Posted January 22, 2014 Maybe I should make that post a sticky... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 22, 2014 Share #109 Posted January 22, 2014 ...The ones having Leicas and other brands, permanently without knowing what to do if continuing with their wifes (Leicas) or changing them for their lovers (Sonys, Nikons, Canons,…) or v.v.... I would add some lucky guys living well with a wife and two or three lovers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanzaKruzer Posted January 22, 2014 Share #110 Posted January 22, 2014 Hi David, off topic I know, but I have been thinking of the same option given how compact the Ricoh GR is and wanted your opinion. I already have the 28mm Elmarit Asph which is, itself, quite compact, but I want to avoid changing lenses if possible. Taking the M with a 50 or 75 permanently attached and the Ricoh alongside would make sense, if the results were acceptable. Are the results from the Ricoh acceptable -- does the IQ and overall 'style' of the image sit well mixed in with other pictures taken using the M? Would appreciate your report from the front line, as it were, and as a Leica user conditioned to the best quality available. Thanks Robert, I cannot make a direct comparison with a 28mm Leica lens as I only own a 21, 35, 50 and 90, but the Ricoh GR (28mm equivalent) pairs well as a travel kit with the Leica M and 50mm. I can pull the GR out of my bag faster than changing lenses on the M and it has a built in flash and auto focus. Both those features allow me to hand the GR to others, so I can get in the photos on occasion. Output is acceptable and while different, the style mixes well with the M. I often need the GR features which replaced my RX100. While the RX100 is also a great P&S, the APS-C size sensor on the GR is more capable in low light. Most of my RX100 shots were at its widest 28mm focal length. As I am new to rangefinders, I find it easier for me to use one focal length (50mm) to help pre-visualize the photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 22, 2014 Share #111 Posted January 22, 2014 Personally I like my M so much, I am selling trading bartering to get another M in silver to go with the black one. I will probably get at least one silver lens to go on it as well. ONe can never have enough of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted January 22, 2014 Share #112 Posted January 22, 2014 I would add some lucky guys living well with a wife and two or three lovers. I've a wife (M 240) and a lover (M9-P) unless next Photokina changes my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted January 22, 2014 Share #113 Posted January 22, 2014 I think you (Francisco) have it just a little backwards. My wife is a little Pentax that is with me at work. My lovers are and M3, an MP and a IIIF. I have a heavy date shortly with an M 240, and the wonderful thing is there will be no jealousy from the other girls, in fact they will happily lend the new girl parts of their wardrobe of Elmarits, and Summiluxes and so on. If only humans were like cameras! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted January 22, 2014 Share #114 Posted January 22, 2014 I think you (Francisco) have it just a little backwards. My wife is a little Pentax that is with me at work. My lovers are and M3, an MP and a IIIF. I have a heavy date shortly with an M 240, and the wonderful thing is there will be no jealousy from the other girls, in fact they will happily lend the new girl parts of their wardrobe of Elmarits, and Summiluxes and so on. If only humans were like cameras! It's true, but too many women and a full drawer would be too heavy for my bones:(. Francisco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe Posted January 22, 2014 Share #115 Posted January 22, 2014 Absolutely love it. On screen the outcomes already look excellent, but printed, they are awesome! Shoot and print! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonil Posted January 23, 2014 Share #116 Posted January 23, 2014 I have just received my very first ever M - its sitting in my bag as I am pulling all the images from the card. the OOC jpegs in B&W are extraordinarily crisp. The DNG files are even better What I do regret was typing in my Copyright information and then forgetting to save it to a user profile. Ugh, had to type it out all over again. I have tested the camera extensively in the short period of time I have had - no issues with the sensor, iso, lag, start up time, uncoded lens issues (my summicron is uncoded,) and no real issue with auto ISO (yet) So overall I think Im lucky, but if Karma was real, my crumby time with my previous dealer and how I think I handled it left me with a reward in my hands. jaapv was right - once this M touched my hands after a long 3 hour drive, all the years saving and scraping away and dealing with a horrible store paid off. This M is a beauty, its not the best camera in the world but it deffinately made me fall in love with photography again. My 7D is my workhorse, I think about light and composition and settings with it, and it makes me money, but my Leica, I think about shooting, I think about getting that one moment... My friends were right, you have to own and use one to get it... I get it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Posted January 25, 2014 Share #117 Posted January 25, 2014 After having traded in my M9-p for an M six months ago, I finally went back to the M9-p. I couldn't stop thinking about how much I liked my M9-p but the thought of losing the advantages kept me convincing myself that it was better to keep the M. I was worried I'd regret going back, but now that I've done it, I just don't. My mind is finally at peace again. I didn't like the colours out of the M. Not just the colours it renders, which always seem to have a yellow/orange veil over them and need correction, but more importantly, the way the image colour is built up. A blue sky is never one mono-tone solid shade of blue, it is made up of a pattern of similar coloured blue pixels (akin to noise pattern). I simply dislike the effect that the "noise" pattern of the M has on the look of my images (let alone the pattern noise when ISO is raised). The M9-p certainly has MORE noise, but it just seems more natural or organic to my eyes. It simply doesn't call attention to itself and is pleasing to look at. I can't say I really liked the look of the M either, it is kind of ugly to me, but that wasn't really too important. I will miss the nicer shutter sound the most. I will also miss being able to use live view a little, but for the way I use the camera, it doesn't matter that much. I have many other cameras for different purposes. Anyhow, I'm happily back with my M9-p (and my MM, and my MP). I'll just wait to see what Leica offers up next. This is not to say I think it isn't a good camera, it is an AMAZING camera, but I just like the package I get with the older one better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solochrom Posted January 26, 2014 Share #118 Posted January 26, 2014 Not me. Love M240 so much and enjoy everyday, every moment I use it. Though expensive .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted February 4, 2014 Share #119 Posted February 4, 2014 I don't get this colour thing. Admittedly I put the latest firmware on out of the box, but compared to the other cameras I am using (Inc the A7) the M 240 is much closer in colours to my M9 then any other cameras. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfisherman Posted February 5, 2014 Share #120 Posted February 5, 2014 After having traded in my M9-p for an M six months ago, I finally went back to the M9-p. I couldn't stop thinking about how much I liked my M9-p but the thought of losing the advantages kept me convincing myself that it was better to keep the M. I was worried I'd regret going back, but now that I've done it, I just don't. My mind is finally at peace again. I didn't like the colours out of the M. Not just the colours it renders, which always seem to have a yellow/orange veil over them and need correction, but more importantly, the way the image colour is built up. A blue sky is never one mono-tone solid shade of blue, it is made up of a pattern of similar coloured blue pixels (akin to noise pattern). I simply dislike the effect that the "noise" pattern of the M has on the look of my images (let alone the pattern noise when ISO is raised). The M9-p certainly has MORE noise, but it just seems more natural or organic to my eyes. It simply doesn't call attention to itself and is pleasing to look at. I can't say I really liked the look of the M either, it is kind of ugly to me, but that wasn't really too important. I will miss the nicer shutter sound the most. I will also miss being able to use live view a little, but for the way I use the camera, it doesn't matter that much. I have many other cameras for different purposes. Anyhow, I'm happily back with my M9-p (and my MM, and my MP). I'll just wait to see what Leica offers up next. This is not to say I think it isn't a good camera, it is an AMAZING camera, but I just like the package I get with the older one better. My sentiments exactly......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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