lct Posted December 21, 2013 Share #81 Posted December 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Klingonite is more resistant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 21, 2013 Posted December 21, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here Auto iso coming.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MarkP Posted December 22, 2013 Share #82 Posted December 22, 2013 I didn't know that Vulcans suffered form prostatic hypertrophy...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 23, 2013 Share #83 Posted December 23, 2013 Why so? Choose 3200 as maximum iso for instance and open at f/1 or f/1.4 as you like. What am i missing? you are missing that some people want to choose the f-stop necessary for the DOF they like to achieve with a shutter time to avoid movement (i.e.1/250 for taking images of kids) at the bes possible (lowest possible) IQ. For example Pentax offers a mode where you choose f-stop, exp time and the camera sets ISO automatic (you can set a max ISO limit before). Works great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 23, 2013 Share #84 Posted December 23, 2013 ...you are missing that some people want to choose the f-stop necessary for the DOF they like to achieve with a shutter time to avoid movement (i.e.1/250 for taking images of kids) at the bes possible (lowest possible) IQ.... But i'm doing this all the time... I just turn the aperture ring that's all. I can even see the shutter speed in the viewfinder. What else should i want? Well never mind i must be too stupid to comprehend the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted December 27, 2013 Share #85 Posted December 27, 2013 I guess that Leica Camera took input from their beta testers and made their features decision. If Leica had real beta testers, they would have found and fixed this bug before releasing the camera. P.S. To admins: this thread should be merged with "Leica M240 Auto ISO". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted December 27, 2013 Share #86 Posted December 27, 2013 Seriously, Leica is sooooo slow to fix bugs that people start to believe they are features. Spot on. The long wait is probably due to the fact that some delivery guy spilled coffee on the only laptop in Leica containing the firmware source code. The poor guy was forced to take a 6 months computer programming course and rewrite the entire firmware from scratch. He just finished rewriting the entire firmware, so Leica is releasing now 2.0.0.12 that has no changes at all to have all of us customers beta test the rewrite and find possible new bugs. Meanwhile, the delivery guy has been promoted to director of software development and he is fixing the Auto ISO bug on a new ruggedized laptop that is resistant to coffee and coke. Since the fix requires two "if" statements to be added, this will take about 1 month, and by the end of January we will have the fix (provided the guy does not get sick due to the cold Solms winter). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 27, 2013 Share #87 Posted December 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) But i'm doing this all the time... I just turn the aperture ring that's all. I can even see the shutter speed in the viewfinder. What else should i want? Well never mind i must be too stupid to comprehend the issue. They want to preselect the aperture and the shutter speed... allowing only the ISO to vary for exposure adjustment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted December 28, 2013 Share #88 Posted December 28, 2013 But i'm doing this all the time... I just turn the aperture ring that's all. I can even see the shutter speed in the viewfinder. What else should i want? Well never mind i must be too stupid to comprehend the issue. If you are already at the maximum aperture, i.e. 1.4, you cannot open it more. If you are in a situation where you need a 1/125th shutter speed and you are already at f1.4, you now have nowhere to go but for the ISO to float to where it needs to be in order to get the shutter speed that you have preset. This is called "Shutter Priority", or in Pentax language , "TAV". Look it up. We had this option on the m9. If I had known about this before I bought the m240, I would have waited and kept my m9 until Leica had implemented a true auto ISO for the new M. I have emailed Leica and suggested they read this thread on LUF. There are lots of unhappy campers about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 28, 2013 Share #89 Posted December 28, 2013 Can we all agree it is a bug? Please, Leica... just fix it. We don't need a dual menu choice. Just fix the bug. And, please ignore the LUF loyal. Return the M240 firmware to the elegant M9 logic. The way it is now... it is a BUG! Is there anyone at the home at Leica Firmware Team to answer the phone? Email me... Please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 28, 2013 Share #90 Posted December 28, 2013 If you are already at the maximum aperture, i.e. 1.4, you cannot open it more. If you are in a situation where you need a 1/125th shutter speed and you are already at f1.4, you now have nowhere to go but for the ISO to float to where it needs to be in order to get the shutter speed that you have preset. This is called "Shutter Priority"... But i don't want it to do that w/o my consent! If i want a grainy/noisy look i crank up the maxi ISO that's all. Even my 3 y/o grandchild could do that (more or less ). As for Leica, you know what they wrote don't you? So either they chose the current feature on purpose or they are lying it's as simple as that. Well again i'm definitely too stupid to comprehend your problem folks and i know what shutter priority means thank you, i used to use it when some of you were not born (more or less again ) it is certainly not that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted December 28, 2013 Share #91 Posted December 28, 2013 Either remove auto iso completely or fix it. As it is now it is completely broken. The M9/MM has a working auto iso. The M240 doesn't. As said previously in this thread. It is a matter for a FEW lines of code.. A FEW LINES!!! If the firmware developer can't hack that together in a few minutes then the firmware developer should be CANNED and replaced by someone who actually knows something. Hotfixes and bug-fixes should NEVER require many months of testing. Hotfixes are usually released quickly since it only fixes a specific bug or deviation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 28, 2013 Share #92 Posted December 28, 2013 As said previously in this thread. It is a matter for a FEW lines of code.. A FEW LINES!!! If the firmware developer can't hack that together in a few minutes then the firmware developer should be CANNED and replaced by someone who actually knows something. This is an argument which is heard often but it's not all that useful.Take my Mac, for instance. Apple is usually associated with a high level of competence in writing software, particularly with respect to its usability. In its latest incarnation, the Safari browser has gained three most annoying properties which might prompt me to use another browser, none of which ought to take more than just a line of code or two to fix.Apple should get rid of their software engineers and should hire people who actually know something?It's software. There is no bug free software. At all. And the people freshly hired will tend to make more mistakes, not fewer, until they have familiarized themselves with the systems they are to mend or enhance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamefrog Posted December 28, 2013 Share #93 Posted December 28, 2013 If I'm not on A its counterintuitive to me that the camera is adjusting the exposure because the ISO setting happens to be on auto . However , if the camera is on auto ISO it doesn't make sense that it reverts to some obscure previously used ISO speed , with no way of finding out what that value is . if the camera takes over , i definitely want to know about it and i want to know what it has decided for me . The solution would be to display the selected ISO in the viewfinder alongside the shutter speed . A special mark could indicate that the camera is on auto ISO - for ex *800 or 800. (dot) , or alternatively the ISO would not be displayed if not on auto iso . The added information would go a long way towards dispelling the confusion and uncertainty . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamefrog Posted December 28, 2013 Share #94 Posted December 28, 2013 (contd) Personally all this is too complicated for me and I'd get rid of auto ISO altogether Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mod2001 Posted December 28, 2013 Share #95 Posted December 28, 2013 For example Pentax offers a mode where you choose f-stop, exp time and the camera sets ISO automatic (you can set a max ISO limit before). Works great. Its called TAV-Mode and I use it nearly eclusively on my Ricoh GR. Yogi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted December 28, 2013 Share #96 Posted December 28, 2013 [schmal]It's software. There is no bug free software. Bug free software exists. Especially if we are talking about trivial software like the M camera firmware. Comparing Apple OS and suite of software applications to Leica M firmware is like comparing a human to a virus. And even so, Apple releases software patches every few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 28, 2013 Share #97 Posted December 28, 2013 Either remove auto iso completely or fix it.As it is now it is completely broken. The M9/MM has a working auto iso. The M240 doesn't. As said previously in this thread. It is a matter for a FEW lines of code.. A FEW LINES!!! If the firmware developer can't hack that together in a few minutes then the firmware developer should be CANNED and replaced by someone who actually knows something. Hotfixes and bug-fixes should NEVER require many months of testing. Hotfixes are usually released quickly since it only fixes a specific bug or deviation. Is anybody forcing you to use it? Gun to your head? Demanding to remove a fixture because it does not suit you in spite of other people appreciating it seems rather intolerant. Just remove it by not activating it on your camera. Leica will come with the option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 28, 2013 Share #98 Posted December 28, 2013 Bug free software exists. Especially if we are talking about trivial software like the M camera firmware. Comparing Apple OS and suite of software applications to Leica M firmware is like comparing a human to a virus. And even so, Apple releases software patches every few weeks. Safari is more on the side of "trivial" and is not part of an OS. It's nice to hear that apple releases software patches. It would be more useful to me - in this particular instance - if they even started addressing the issues referred to above. It's just a couple of lines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 28, 2013 Share #99 Posted December 28, 2013 Either remove auto iso completely or fix it... Thanks no thanks it is perfect for me as is and please dear Leica friends don't change anything if it boils down to complicate the simple in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 28, 2013 Share #100 Posted December 28, 2013 If I'm not on A its counterintuitive to me that the camera is adjusting the exposure because the ISO setting happens to be on auto . You find it intuitive that turning the shutter speed dial changes the ISO settings? Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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