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Lot (a lot means 4-5) of M240 on used and new market


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I realized there is a lot of M240s on sale at used (and new) market....(Fotopia HK, Newoldcamera , IT, ecc).

Does this event have a significate for anyone? Leica-Sony competition? Somebody bored of M240 problem? Somebody is waiting for M-P 24X (without video)like me?

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I've been owning this camera for seven months. There were and are some issues, but nothing big, and most was or will be corrected in the firmware.

 

There are two things that bother/ed me a bit. IR filter on the sensor is too thin, so some colors in many situations get contaminated. I will solve this issue by Monday when I receive B+W UV/IR cut filters. The second thing is, the files are a bit flat (due to the higher dynamic range), and need more PP. For example, I cannot get my photos look close enough to what I want unless I use Nik Color Efex, and it's Correct contrast and Dynamic contrast filters from Pro Contrast. I also use Soft contrast from Contrast only tab. This leads to many tiff files in my LR catalog, and slows me a bit down. I cannot get this look with the LR only. I wish LR came with a camera profile that would create a bit punchier photos to start with i.e. they should kind of have "Leica look", and if one doesn't like them one could play with the sliders.

 

Many might not like what I wrote here, but this is my personal observance, taste, call it what you want it.

 

In short, this is the best camera I have ever owned. I won't be selling it, and if I knew all of the above I'd still buy this camera.

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I've been owning this camera for seven months. There were and are some issues, but nothing big, and most was or will be corrected in the firmware.

 

There are two things that bother/ed me a bit. IR filter on the sensor is too thin, so some colors in many situations get contaminated. I will solve this issue by Monday when I receive B+W UV/IR cut filters. The second thing is, the files are a bit flat (due to the higher dynamic range), and need more PP. For example, I cannot get my photos look close enough to what I want unless I use Nik Color Efex, and it's Correct contrast and Dynamic contrast filters from Pro Contrast. I also use Soft contrast from Contrast only tab. This leads to many tiff files in my LR catalog, and slows me a bit down. I cannot get this look with the LR only. I wish LR came with a camera profile that would create a bit punchier photos to start with i.e. they should kind of have "Leica look", and if one doesn't like them one could play with the sliders.

 

Many might not like what I wrote here, but this is my personal observance, taste, call it what you want it.

 

In short, this is the best camera I have ever owned. I won't be selling it, and if I knew all of the above I'd still buy this camera.

 

that's how it should be if you are shooting DNG (which should always be the case, else you are just throwing away camera's potential). A better JPEG engine wouldn't hurt but then again, i never shoot JPEG on my M anyway.

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As an aside, I'd be interested in what levels you dial in when importing into LR.

I also have the Nik software, but have never really got around to using the settings you refer to.

 

Would you be happy to give me the values you're using both in the LR import and also in the Nik software as I'd be interested in seeing the difference?

 

Thank you.

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another blind , devoted, faitfhul initiate... no critcism is accepetd

 

Hi Marcello,

 

Thanks for your judgement.

 

My comment was not based upon any criticism of the camera (was there any?) but simply on the genius of your observation that used M240's were now appearing on the market and whether this was at all significant.

 

My humble apologies if this touched a nerve.

 

Best,

 

James

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Flat files without personality seem to work for me on the MM. But I really dislike it on the M240.

 

I don't use third party plug in, but it's a chore to balance the M240 files. While balancing the MM files is a joy.

 

You need to adjust the default import settings on Lightroom to suit the image style that you like. With the M-240 I adjust the following from their zero defaults

TONE

Contrast: +13

Blacks: +15

 

PRESENCE

Clarity: +10

Vibrance: +17

 

TONE CURVE

Medium Contrast

 

SHARPENING: ZERO

 

NOISE REDUCTION: ZERO

 

LENS PROFILE: Enabled

 

PROCESS: 2012 (Current)

 

No problem with flat files...

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I agree. I was intrigued what settings were being applied that fell a little flat in LR5. Doubly interested thereafter in what goes on in the Nik software that "corrects" a flat, since I don't know the software, although I bought it as a package. I'd like to know more.

 

In Basic, I dial down the highlights by -15 but +15 whites, which in combination with a minus -15 in the blacks seems to give a bit of punch.

 

Tone Curve I leave it as Linear but dial in +3, 0, -3,-5 respectively.

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Would you be happy to give me the values you're using both in the LR import and also in the Nik software as I'd be interested in seeing the difference?

 

I put some samples in a new thread over here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/312138-how-do-you-make-your-m240.html#post2575198 as we were going a bit off topic. I simply cannot get this with Lighroom only. Once I do the changes in Nik, I use LR to tweek it further, but many times I don't even touch the LR sliders. ...except the HSL ;-)

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Hi Marcello,

 

Thanks for your judgement.

 

My comment was not based upon any criticism of the camera (was there any?) but simply on the genius of your observation that used M240's were now appearing on the market and whether this was at all significant.

 

My humble apologies if this touched a nerve.

 

Best,

 

James

I accept your apologies.

"genius" is the man who thought to know "the answer" not the one that asks a "question" and proposes an analysis of a fact. I explain my question for your knowledge: "considering the difficulties in finding a new M240 until october 2013 why actually you can find many people that do not buy an M240 (2-3 on sale in Milan, Italy) and why some people sells his camera ?

There is something wrong in this M? Is the competition with Sony a problem for Leica? or it will push Leica to produce a better camera?. That's all.

Best regards.

marcello

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I can't take it, this is another hijacked thread. Can we please please please not exchange information about photography, work flow or god forbid, aesthetics. I want to know if there are any more M camera's on sale anywhere, by anyone.

 

You need to adjust the default import settings on Lightroom to suit the image style that you like. With the M-240 I adjust the following from their zero defaults

TONE

Contrast: +13

Blacks: +15

 

PRESENCE

Clarity: +10

Vibrance: +17

 

TONE CURVE

Medium Contrast

 

SHARPENING: ZERO

 

NOISE REDUCTION: ZERO

 

LENS PROFILE: Enabled

 

PROCESS: 2012 (Current)

 

No problem with flat files...

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I accept your apologies.

"genius" is the man who thought to know "the answer" not the one that asks a "question" and proposes an analysis of a fact. I explain my question for your knowledge: "considering the difficulties in finding a new M240 until october 2013 why actually you can find many people that do not buy an M240 (2-3 on sale in Milan, Italy) and why some people sells his camera ?

There is something wrong in this M? Is the competition with Sony a problem for Leica? or it will push Leica to produce a better camera?. That's all.

Best regards.

marcello

 

Hi Marcello (again),

 

Thank you for your gracious acceptance of my apology.

 

Suggest you look up irony as well as genius.

 

Faithful and devoted (as always),

 

Reverend "Blind" James M Tooforty

 

(I'm out of here before I get into trouble....)

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I can't take it, this is another hijacked thread. Can we please please please not exchange information about photography, work flow or god forbid, aesthetics. I want to know if there are any more M camera's on sale anywhere, by anyone.

If you check around in the USA they are available. Try smaller dealers though.

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