Bill W Posted October 24, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Get the Monochrom if you use the RX-1 for color. You can always get an M someday, but maybe not a Monochrom. I agree, you will not be disappointed with the MM and who knows how many will be produced and for how long. Could there be an MM240? No one knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted October 24, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 24, 2013 Could there be an MM240? No one knows. But Stefan Daniel seemed to imply so (based on the M, not necessarily the M240 per se) at his last Photokina interview, as excerpted below... Question: Will the M-Monochrom remain part of the M-System for the foreseeable future? Stefan Daniel: We want to keep the series of that type. The Monochrom is very successful and we can imagine that there might be a Monochrom variant of the new model. The camera is addictive. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 24, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 24, 2013 I have been trying - there is no way I can process the M files into anything like the Monochrom ones.Having said that the M B&W output is pretty good - but I still would take the M8 if I did not possess a Monochrom. I now keep an M8.2 only for back-up, since I've been able to get as good or better b/w results (prints) with the M. And the shooting experience is much better (improved RF, shutter sound and release, weather protection, bigger battery, illuminated frame lines, etc.) I would never describe the M b/w output as just "pretty good" (recognizing, of course, that the camera is only one part of the b/w print workflow). Very different strokes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 25, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 25, 2013 It was the superb and unbeatable 28mm Summicron! Nicely put Steve. I completely agree. Great photo btw. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted October 25, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 25, 2013 Personally I would say that the M just doesn't fit B&W as well as its' amazing color performance would suggest, but it's still "pretty good". Kinda like most other full frame sensors. I still prefer the M8 for B&W by quite a margin. Same with the M9, but less so. This while obviously taking into account that the sensor is only a part of the whole color to b&w conversion process. Which also means that a camera that leaves out the whole conversion process has an obvious advantage. I still wonder if a B&W-only M240 would work as well as the MM. There is more to the MM than increased dynamic range (which the M has already), increased iso performance (which the M has already) and resolution (which the M has already). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 25, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 25, 2013 ... There is more to the MM than increased dynamic range (which the M has already), increased iso performance (which the M has already) and resolution (which the M has already). I have both the M240 and the MM, and in regard to resolution, the Monochrome wins with a very big margin... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 25, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Most of my best work is in B&W, so I took the plunge with the MM. Up until now I refused to let go of my M8 but I finally did. The M9 never totally convinced me. I can't emphasize enough how happy and satisfied I am with my choice! The world is B&W... LOL... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanD Posted October 26, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 26, 2013 WellI have both the M and the MM . . . . and I do shoot a lot of black and white (but not exclusively). I think my feeling is that if you do landscape, then the ability to use the channel mixer is enough of an advantage to use the M, Whatever - If someone nailed my head to the floor and said I could only have one it would be the M, and truth is, most of my black and white work is done with the M Here's two from yesterday converted to black and white using silver efex pro. [ATTACH]404730[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]404731[/ATTACH] There are the other obvious reasons which make the M a delight to use: Better Rangefinder Weathersealing Nicer shutter noise nicer shutter release bigger buffer much better LCD You'll notice I've not mentioned Live View/evf/anything like that Sorry..... I agree with the earlier poster. Too much playing with the channel mixer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 26, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 26, 2013 But a bit of time spent in post to achieve those results must be worth the effort. No one said that it has to be an Instamatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wk Posted October 26, 2013 Share #30 Posted October 26, 2013 The rangefinder, shutter and LCD I desire from the 240. The weather sealing sounds nice, but I still would not want my Summilux to get wet! I wonder how long until leica release an MM based on the 240... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 26, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 26, 2013 The rangefinder, shutter and LCD I desire from the 240. The weather sealing sounds nice, but I still would not want my Summilux to get wet! I wonder how long until leica release an MM based on the 240... Probably at the end of the lifecycle of the Typ 240. The same way Leica did with the MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jvansmit Posted October 29, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 29, 2013 Some very subjective & preliminary thoughts after having the MM for 10 months and the M240 for just one month: Using 21mm or wider lenses at higher ISOs for street & documentary work, I'm getting more keepers with the M240, and find the auto/classic metering more reliable than the MM (for reasons I don't understand!). I like the M240’s quieter shutter when shooting very close to people, especially in dodgy situations, and its shutter button has a silkier feel which I find more controllable. The MM though has a stiffer speed dial which I prefer when changing shutter speeds quickly by feel at night, and I also find switching ISO speed is slightly quicker with the MM’s easier to read array lay-out. Overall, I find the M240 a bit more user-friendly while the MM is more challenging but produces amazing resolution for large prints when I get do it right. If I had to choose just one of them, right now I'd take the M240...I've a feeling that it will become my main go-to camera simply because I’m missing fewer shots with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 29, 2013 Share #33 Posted October 29, 2013 I have both the M240 and the MM, and in regard to resolution, the Monochrome wins with a very big margin... I completely agree Manolo. Furthermore, the Monochrom files are still more malleable, and have that lovely grain (noise) structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted October 29, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 29, 2013 eras, one M Monochrom and another for colour just in case. Do not do that. Seriously. What is the penalty? I carry the M Monochrom and use it as my primary camera, but I keep an X2 in the bag as well, because sometimes, some things really do need color. Not often, but often enough. Eventually I'll probably get an M9 or variant to go along with the M Monochrom, but it will likely spend much of its time with me inside of the bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted October 29, 2013 Share #35 Posted October 29, 2013 The one thing you should not do is to carry two cameras, one M Monochrom and another for colour just in case. Do not do that. Seriously. What is the penalty? I carry the M Monochrom and use it as my primary camera, but I keep an X2 in the bag as well, because sometimes, some things really do need color. Not often, but often enough. Trying to shoot black-and-white and still be prepared for the occasional colour picture will impair both your ability to see black-and-white and your ability to see colour. Either do one thing. Or do the other thing. Don't try to do both at the same time. It won't work. Next time, leave your X2 at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted October 30, 2013 Share #36 Posted October 30, 2013 Trying to shoot black-and-white and still be prepared for the occasional colour picture will impair both your ability to see black-and-white and your ability to see colour. Either do one thing. Or do the other thing. Don't try to do both at the same time. It won't work...A bit too categorical I think, in that it may be true for some people but not for everybody. For myself, I prefer to shoot in binges: I shot the M-Monochrom for six months and then the M9 for six months, and now I'm back to the Monochrom; but I am sure that there are good photographers who don't have a problem switching between the two on the go when they need do, although they might prefer shooting one or the other separately. —Mitch/Paris Looking for Baudelaire [WIP] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 30, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 30, 2013 I like the binge idea, six months on and six months off, and it is more or less how I work, but alternating film and digital if what I am working at makes either a better option. Mostly it all comes out as B&W though. I agree with 01af, taking a second camera for colour (or visa versa) is a distraction despite the fact that I sometimes do it. If I have a definite plan for both colour and B&W I'll take a suitable camera for the colour work, but that is with a plan. Otherwise the P&S that is in my pocket anyway comes with me, but it is impossible to use it, going out with the MM (or any other B&W film camera) has to mean I'm working in B&W to concentrate on the work and not to flit mentally from colour to B&W which just spoils everything. I find it an equal distraction working in different formats, 4x5 and taking along a 35mm even as a 'notebook' is a disaster if I try to use both. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanD Posted October 30, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 30, 2013 I love my MM. It produces the most wonderful images. I would like the physical improvements of the M, especially the quieter shutter, but its not a big deal, output is more important. I shall probably sell the M9, as my search for a colour camera has taken me in a completely different direction, an Olympus OMD E-M5 and 4 primes. So I have a B&W RF system and a colour AF, high tech mirror less system with an EVF. They complement each other very well. If I know I want to shoot colour I take the OMD, if B&W the MM. I shoot with an intention anyway, not caring if i'm not 'prepared for everything'... In fact I WANT to be limited as it makes me stick to my intention. ----- http://www.brendandelaneyphotography.com street, urban and documentary photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted October 30, 2013 Share #39 Posted October 30, 2013 Hi Without wishing to be contentious why not use film Ms and use different films ? at least until you are sure that you could settle for B/W only. I know that would not allow the usage of the M's and MM 's unique facilities but it could help to clear your mind and clarify matters somewhat ? Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted November 2, 2013 Share #40 Posted November 2, 2013 why not use film Ms and use different films ? This is something I have decided to do. I'm a color photographer but I had a chance to try out an MM for a week and really fell in love with it. I own an M9 and two film Ms and the expense of a Monochrom seems a little steep at the moment. So I've set myself a goal to shoot one roll of black and white film per week for the next three months and I'll see what happens. The first roll is off to the lab (high end lab in LA that does great job with processing and scanning.) This experiment will cost me approximately $300. Money well spent before taking the plunge on an $8,000 camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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