The Sony A7 thread [Merged]

[Rick]

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You know that intangible thing we're always trying to put into our shots? The secret sauce?

This has that.

 

Do I need a WATE? (Face palm)

 

Thanks. You don't think the skin tones might have been a little better with a Sony?

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[dwbell]

Thanks. You don't think the skin tones might have been a little better with a Sony?

 

Hmmmm, it's 14 bit....

 

I'm telling you, I WILL be walking around with both cameras for ages. Umming and Ahhhing. All the time carrying more gear than a simple canon DSLR kit....

 

......such an idiot.

[algrove]

That's Linda and Me!

 

The sun was right on the horizon behind us. We just crouched like we were sitting together watching a sunset and I shot it handheld off my bent leg. And, that is the WATE again, probably at 21mm.

 

After analyzing that photo the other day I wondered if that's what happened. Well done.

[Rick]

Thanks Rick. Those are stunning shots.

I always liked your travel images, Italy, Paris...

However, these seem to be a notch above the others.

And the WATE, as your other lenses, really shine on the M240 in your hands! No doubt about it.

I really am partial to available light photography.

You have there an absolutely wonderful collection of that genre.

Very pleasing colors and great mood.

I will have to come back to your images a few more times to soak it all in.

Thanks again for the treat.

 

I hope we are all growing along our journey, but I think you can easily see the transition of the file quality from the M8--->M9--->M in that flickr stream that started in 2008. Technology marches on and we are challenged to rise to the available resources.. and travel, live, drink some wine:) and, of course... try to be creative.

 

I am thankful that I have a travel companion that loves art, travel and even photography. She is the other shadow in my picture and she shot all the SonyRX1 shots(4,500), like the little Chinese girl with the umbrella.

 

It becomes pretty easy to compare these two cameras with nearly 10,000 shots like these to work with. Thanks again for the kind comments. Now back to our topic of this thread...

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I hope we are all growing along our journey, but I think you can easily see the transition of the file quality from the M8--->M9--->M in that flickr stream that started in 2008. Technology marches on and we are challenged to rise to the available resources.. and travel, live, drink some wine:) and, of course... try to be creative.

 

But still you you can't intellectually 'transition' the difference a WATE may make to an A7R image over and above what a lowly 12mm Voigtlander can, yet still use the 12mm lens as a judgement on the A7R? Try looking at it the other way around, if the 12mm is crap, its all you are going to get (which I doubt), what would that say about the WATE on the same camera? Purely as conjecture of course, as all these ideas are.

 

Steve

[Rick]

But still you you can't intellectually 'transition' the difference a WATE may make to an A7R image over and above what a lowly 12mm Voigtlander can, yet still use the 12mm lens as a judgement on the A7R? Try looking at it the other way around, if the 12mm is crap, its all you are going to get (which I doubt), what would that say about the WATE on the same camera? Purely as conjecture of course, as all these ideas are.

 

Steve

 

I guess I don't know what you mean? I wasn't implying the CV 12 is crap. The shots Karl linked to of the CV12 looked nice. I was just looking at Steve's photos with it and thinking to myself; self, these pictures from this camera + lens will not work for me from a quality standpoint.

 

I haven't seen anything yet that looks good and is relevant to what I do. I posted my flickr shots to explain with pictures what works for me and what I want. I wasn't implying that the WATE + A7R wouldn't do better. I'm just trying to describe what kind of photography the A7R needs to be better at for me... and I haven't seen anything posted yet that is relevant to me with the A7R and other companies lenses... like mine.

 

I got it on order, but you can see why I may cancel it or scalp it for millions and millions of profit on ebay.

[Thomas Chen]

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Well...it's on the radar now thanks to you. May well consider it when it's time to consider an upgrade.

 

I downloaded the SONY "Image Data Converter Ver. 4.0" from SAR to browse the RAW out of A7R and incidentally find that the software can convert Leica JPEG files in sRGB color space into not ony Adobe RGB but also Wide color gamut color space (in either JPEG or TIFF format).

 

May be it is a way to discover another face of Leica files in the context of "Trilumions display".

[Peter H]

Rick, some (very many) of the photos in your link are stunningly beautiful, and quite honestly, it makes me feel that the whole discussion is pretty-much irrelevant to the matter of photography. Although there may be other valid considerations such as economics of course.

 

But if its possible to make such wonderful photos, as it evidently is, then apart from saving a bit of money on future camera purchases, why should any Leica owner even be thinking about switching to another system?

 

In what ways might a Sony, for example, have enabled you to produce better photographs?

[stevelap]

Interesting rumor. Small form digital SLR with high ISO 16MP D4 sensor would be welcome, but not for the Leica M. It would be great for Nikon F lenses (& R after conversion).

 

If it's true it will be digital remake of the classic Nikon SLR with slap up mirror & optical viewfinder. Distance between flange and film/sensor plane is 46.5mm. Leica M lenses just don't work except for extreme close up.

 

Regarding wide M lenses on Sony A7 and A7R; Ron's conclusion - if it looks bad on A7 it will look worse on A7R.

 

 

I'm watching that one closely. I have a lot of legacy lenses and not enough disposable income for a M240.

 

I'm tracking that Nikon teaser campaign for the 'DF' too. It could be a very interesting development, depending upon what actually turns up of course.......Thom Hogan's thoughts on this

 

http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-return-of-the-fm.html

[wildlightphoto]

In what ways might a Sony, for example, have enabled you to produce better photographs?

 

I'm not Rick but for me and my use of Leica-R lenses economics is a very big factor. There may also be differences between these Sonys and the M(240) in the viewfinder, responsiveness and file quality that will become evident once production samples of the A7 / A7r become available but I'd be looking at not one camera body but two.

 

Apart from economics I'd much prefer a camera optimized for TTL viewing, and Sony's apparent commitment to smart adapters for other-brand lenses is a welcome development. I've long believed Leica's lens adapters for the S system was a very smart move and a system that makes a similar commitment in the 24x36mm format gets my attention and quite possibly my dollars.

[dwbell]

Rick, some (very many) of the photos in your link are stunningly beautiful, and quite honestly, it makes me feel that the whole discussion is pretty-much irrelevant to the matter of photography. Although there may be other valid considerations such as economics of course.

 

But if its possible to make such wonderful photos, as it evidently is, then apart from saving a bit of money on future camera purchases, why should any Leica owner even be thinking about switching to another system?

 

In what ways might a Sony, for example, have enabled you to produce better photographs?

 

This kind of critical thinking is actually what made me realise I'm a "small bodied high IQ 35mm" shooter and not a "Leica User". There are many things that actually hinder my shooting style when using a Leica. The only things that are enabled by using a Leica are using Leica glass and being unobtrusive with a small volume looking body.

[lct]

...The only things that are enabled by using a Leica are using Leica glass and being unobtrusive with a small volume looking body.

... or using a rangefinder and the special way of shooting it induces in the first place otherwise a little Ricoh or Sony with Leica glass would be more Leica than Leica.

[dwbell]

... or using a rangefinder and the special way of shooting it induces in the first place otherwise a little Ricoh or Sony with Leica glass would be more Leica than Leica.

 

I should have maybe added "for me". As using a rangefinder I don't find enabling. Mostly the opposite,

[lct]

If i weren't interested in RFs, i would probably order a Sony/Zeiss kit and forget Leica for anything else than fast 50s and telephotos eventually, but it's just me...

[dwbell]

If i weren't interested in RFs, i would probably order a Sony/Zeiss kit and forget Leica for anything else than fast 50s and telephotos eventually, but it's just me...

 

Which is what I'm doing. If the Sony cuts it.

[k-hawinkler]

Here is an interesting paper

 

Equivalence

 

that helps explain the differences and implications of FF, APS-C, and m43 sensor sizes. .

[jdlaing]

Here is an interesting paper

 

Equivalence

 

that helps explain the differences and implications of FF, APS-C, and m43 sensor sizes. .

 

Now tell him what happens when you mention the word equivalence over in the Olympus Forums.

[k-hawinkler]

Well, I use all three sensor sizes for the advantages they bring to my kind of photography.

Unfortunately there are misguided folks on many forums.

I simply try to ignore only their misguided posts but respect them as human beings.

Also, it's very easy to misunderstand electronic communications.

So, one has to be careful in jumping to conclusions!

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[jzy11]

Has anyone with hands on usage tested the AF speed on these two cameras and has he noticed any noticeable differences...or do u think the phase detection on the a7 is more for tracking purposes/video etc...I have an a7 on preorder only because of the AF speed factor (not interested in any tracking/eye focus etc) and would like to know if its worth keeping or changing it to the r model....any input much appreciated

 

I tried both cameras today at the Sony store in CWB Hong Kong for about 5 minutes each. The AF on the a7 is definitely a little faster than the one on the a7r. However, the difference is very very small. Although both are slower than the 5d3 I had.

 

I actually pre-ordered the a7 as i thought the a7r would have a much worse AF system. but after my experience today, i think i will be cancelling my order for the a7 and getting the a7r instead.

 

hope this helps

[Peter H]

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I actually pre-ordered the a7 as i thought the a7r would have a much worse AF system. but after my experience today, i think i will be cancelling my order for the a7 and getting the a7r instead.

 

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I don't know whether it matters to you, but apparently some of the tracking features are only available on the a7. According to the link Andy provided a few posts back, the higher ISO performance is better on the A7 too. It seems that higher resolution aside, the A7 may well be the better camera for some.