naturephoto1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share #201 Posted July 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Which means you are using it on a tripod anyway, so probably via LiveView. Then obviously, scrolling would be a handy thing to have, but the quality of the EVF is not relevant. Over 90% of my work over the years: digital, 35mm, medium format, and large format has been tripod mounted. Since both wrists were broken in a bicycle/auto accident in 1993 (the car won) though I have steady hands (steadier before the accident) I have a preference for tripod mounting. As to quality of the EVF- faster refresh rate is of great value if you are trying to photograph fast or at least moving subjects whether hand held, or monopod/tripod mounted. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted July 22, 2013 Share #202 Posted July 22, 2013 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 22, 2013 Share #203 Posted July 22, 2013 Over 90% of my work over the years: digital, 35mm, medium format, and large format has been tripod mounted. Since both wrists were broken in a bicycle/auto accident in 1993 (the car won) though I have steady hands (steadier before the accident) I have a preference for tripod mounting. As to quality of the EVF- faster refresh rate is of great value if you are trying to photograph fast or at least moving subjects whether hand held, or monopod/tripod mounted. Rich However, in the VF-4 on an OMD doubling the refresh rate comes at the expense of lowering spatial resolution that then can lead to nasty aliasing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share #204 Posted July 22, 2013 However, in the VF-4 on an OMD doubling the refresh rate comes at the expense of lowering spatial resolution that then can lead to nasty aliasing. I am not sure of the situation with the newer EVF that are now in the newer camera models and we will have to see for the new Sony. My understanding is that the EVFs are improving and with faster refresh. The same is true of much larger TVs. But, as I have mentioned, I do not know and have not had experience with the newer cameras. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 22, 2013 Share #205 Posted July 22, 2013 They don't, which brings us full circle. As I've said earlier in this thread: Sony will not make a full-frame camera for Leica lenses, maybe for a line of Zeiss lenses, but not for M lenses. I don't think anyone expects them to. That's why we have adapters ... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 22, 2013 Share #206 Posted July 22, 2013 I don't think anyone expects them to. That's why we have adapters ... This isn’t really about adapters. Sure there will be adapters. The crucial question is whether Sony would design the sensor so it behaves well with Leica M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 22, 2013 Share #207 Posted July 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am not sure of the situation with the newer EVF that are now in the newer camera models and we will have to see for the new Sony. My understanding is that the EVFs are improving and with faster refresh. The same is true of much larger TVs. But, as I have mentioned, I do not know and have not had experience with the newer cameras. Rich Thanks. Well, the VF-4 works extremely well on my OM-D E-M5 at 60 Hz. No issues at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 22, 2013 Share #208 Posted July 22, 2013 This isn’t really about adapters. Sure there will be adapters. The crucial question is whether Sony would design the sensor so it behaves well with Leica M lenses. No, I don't even think that is a sensible question Why would they do that? If they go to that effort, they might as well use the M mount. The real question is, if they make a full frame, interchangeable lens camera, will the exit pupil size and register distance be similar to the M mount cameras. If so, will the wide angle lenses work with such a camera. I'm not sure why this question continually gets reduced to the rather absurd suggestion that Sony will make a camera designed for some one else's lenses. That has happened, but not that successfully (Zeiss Ikon). How good is the M mount design, and what would a Sony version of a full frame, mirrorless interchangeable system look like? Compact, and hopefully better looking than the Nex series. Perhaps like the RX-1. Does that suggest dimensions for the critical sensor/exit pupil relationship similar to the M mount? I guess that leaves aside the firmware wizardry Sony would include for the Zeiss lenses designed for such a camera. I would have thought such a camera would be a huge point of difference for Sony, coming off the back of the surprising success of the RX-1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted July 22, 2013 Share #209 Posted July 22, 2013 The real question is, if they make a full frame, interchangeable lens camera, will the exit pupil size and register distance be similar to the M mount cameras. If so, will the wide angle lenses work with such a camera. Even that is not a requirement for the M lenses to work well on such a hypothetical camera. The only key requirements are that the sensor will work well with the angle of light coming from whatever M mount lens you wish to use (or can be corrected adequately via firmware or software) and the lens can be positioned for accurate infinity focus via an adapter. The first part is unknown at this time but many companies make mirrorless bodies that are thin enough to accept adapters that locate the M lenses at the correct spot. Making a camera using the M mount is not something Sony will do as it would impose a lot of limitations and no advantages over a thin body/adapter solution. Just as Leica itself does as a way of fitting R lenses to the M240 rather than making a separate body for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 22, 2013 Share #210 Posted July 22, 2013 Thanks Alan. I think that was my point, only made more briefly ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted July 23, 2013 Share #211 Posted July 23, 2013 Dumb question perhaps. Is the move to phase detection AF with "double photo sites" like the new canon going to have any relevance to the angle at which each site can accept light and, consequently, it's ability to handle M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 23, 2013 Share #212 Posted July 23, 2013 This is a difficult moment for manufacturers of digital cameras. The global sales are slowing down and the unsold stock of cameras increases every day. The technology is mature and the market already has strong differentiation. A completely new system is a dangerous bet, even for Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 23, 2013 Share #213 Posted July 23, 2013 Maybe, but the market is depressed in the compact sector because people are starting to use cell phones. As that is where the turnover and profits are it will have a negative impact on results. If Sony makes this camera up-market enough with a price to match they should not have a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted July 23, 2013 Share #214 Posted July 23, 2013 Dumb question perhaps. Is the move to phase detection AF with "double photo sites" like the new canon going to have any relevance to the angle at which each site can accept light and, consequently, it's ability to handle M lenses. I don't think this is a dumb question but nobody can answer it at this time. Also we do not know if Canon will license this technology to other sensor makers such as Sony and Fuji or if they can develop their own similar sensors. I wonder if the announcement of the 70D causes other camera companies such as Sony to rethink any products. A FF Sony Nex type cameras would be much better than current Nex models if it included something comparable to the 70D's AF system. I wonder if the AF can be good enough without that technology to appeal to people used to shooting with FF DSLRs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 23, 2013 Share #215 Posted July 23, 2013 This isn’t really about adapters. Sure there will be adapters. The crucial question is whether Sony would design the sensor so it behaves well with Leica M lenses. The number of camera bodies sold in the $3000 range and above is I imagine a minuscule segment of the overall market, but it just so happens that Leica owners are exactly the target demographic for such a product. I certainly don't think that making a new camera "play nice" with Leica lenses is the top priority or goal at Sony, but I cannot imagine that it hasn't been considered. Just as Leica realize that having a Hasselblad to S adapter is another feature to help sell their medium format body I think Sony are smart enough to realize that playing nice with M mount lenses potentially opens up a new EVIL camera to many new customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 23, 2013 Share #216 Posted July 23, 2013 I am going to relay some information here. You can take it with a grain of salt...........or not. The rumored Full Frame Nex body will not and I repeat NOT play well with Leica lenses wider than 50mm without some serious post processing fiddling. And you can pretty much forget anything below 2.8. Don't ask any more questions as I cannot divulge any more information.............until later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted July 23, 2013 Share #217 Posted July 23, 2013 I am going to relay some information here. You can take it with a grain of salt...........or not. The rumored Full Frame Nex body will not and I repeat NOT play well with Leica lenses wider than 50mm without some serious post processing fiddling. And you can pretty much forget anything below 2.8. Don't ask any more questions as I cannot divulge any more information.............until later. I suspect you are referring to only M and not R lenses. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 23, 2013 Share #218 Posted July 23, 2013 I suspect you are referring to only M and not R lenses. Rich I don't know anything about R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted July 24, 2013 Share #219 Posted July 24, 2013 I am going to relay some information here. You can take it with a grain of salt...........or not. The rumored Full Frame Nex body will not and I repeat NOT play well with Leica lenses wider than 50mm without some serious post processing fiddling. And you can pretty much forget anything below 2.8. Don't ask any more questions as I cannot divulge any more information.............until later. Maybe not, but much of what I shoot is at 50mm+. So, I keep asking myself why am I waiting for a $7,000+ FF rangefinder when I can wait for a $4,000(+\-) FF Sony which will also give me a real evf, the option of auto-focus and shooting with my M lenses - I can see for myself how well it works with my wide M lenses. The money I save can likely buy me a nice 35mm Zeiss lens with autofocus. I ordered the M on the day it was announced from a highly reputable Leica dealer. As each week passes with no news, my 2nd thoughts about getting the M get stronger. I have my film rangefinders, my MM, a Nex 6 for color and my DSLR kit. It seems rather silly to chase this camera deep into the first year of its life cycle when another, less expensive, more advanced FF mirror-less camera is on the horizon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 24, 2013 Share #220 Posted July 24, 2013 The reason might be that it won't perform well with your wider M lenses and lacks a rangefinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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