thighslapper Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3421 Posted December 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone else having problems with handholding shutter speeds ? Took a whole load of pics with my 50/2.8 collapsible yesterday at 1/60....... Hardly any are in focus due to shake ... or similar...... With an M body I can manage 1/30 with no issues and often less if I am careful. Is it the shutter rattling the pixels ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaybob Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3422 Posted December 9, 2013 The Sony shutter is not only loud, it has a heavy action. You are better served by at least doubling shutter speed to your focal length. It was prevalent with the NEX as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3423 Posted December 9, 2013 The Sony shutter is not only loud, it has a heavy action.You are better served by at least doubling shutter speed to your focal length. It was prevalent with the NEX as well. I would think that using the electronic first curtain on the A7 would put any shutter vibration after the exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3424 Posted December 9, 2013 Electronic or not, the first curtain's firing would be the reason for vibration. a7r does not have this feature. A faster shutter speed will more than likely help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3425 Posted December 9, 2013 Down res the files to M240 size, or M9 if applicable and compare motion blur then. In my experience there isn't "more", you can just see it. I had to up my min shutter speed going from M9 -> M240 and I've had to do it again with the A7R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3426 Posted December 9, 2013 A plea for moderation, let's try keep this discussion semi-Leica oriented. In here, I don't want to read about how good Sony files are with ANY other lens than a Leica lens. As a long time adapted Sony user, I don't even talk about, let alone post photos I took with my much closer to Leica Rokkor-M 28 on this forum. Completely non-Leica photographs are indeed not permitted on this forum. However, in the spirit of the discussion, I decided to let them ride. Even so, please do observe the rules of the forum and post your photographs with other than Leica lenses in a Sony forum please. You can always refer to them in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hossegor Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3427 Posted December 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Downtown Frankfurt tonight, with the A7R and the Voigländer 21mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3428 Posted December 9, 2013 Completely non-Leica photographs are indeed not permitted on this forum. However, in the spirit of the discussion, I decided to let them ride.Even so, please do observe the rules of the forum and post your photographs with other than Leica lenses in a Sony forum please. You can always refer to them in this thread. I see most of what is being posted here as a little different situation. The commonality of the thread is that the Sony A7® with M-E adaptor can mount our non-Leica lenses we have previously adapted to the M-mount. For example: Some posters have adapted non Leica lenses to M camera mount like, the Canon .95. They have posted in the past photos with these non-Leica lenses on their M camera. Now we have a camera that is not Leica that can take the same lens. It is interesting, for me, to see how the Sony works with lenses we have used on our Leica M cameras. (Obviously some of the posts don't fall under this interpretation.) Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3429 Posted December 9, 2013 A plea for moderation, let's try keep this discussion semi-Leica oriented. In here, I don't want to read about how good Sony files are with ANY other lens than a Leica lens. As a long time adapted Sony user, I don't even talk about, let alone post photos I took with my much closer to Leica Rokkor-M 28 on this forum. This is really sad. PS. How about ZM and VM lenses? Are they also not tolerated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3430 Posted December 9, 2013 This is really sad. PS. How about ZM and VM lenses? Are they also not tolerated? If I take this to the letter, then, we should not be posting any M-mount lenses not made by/for Leica including Minolta, Zeiss, Voigtlander... or any LTM not made by Leica. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3431 Posted December 9, 2013 Surely it must be relevant to compare Leica kit with non-Leica kit. Otherwise people will have see a Leica version here and then hare off to another forum and see the brand x version there. I see that Jaap has a tricky job on this one - and your forebearance is very much appreciated. However this is now an almost 200 page thread. Something to be said for recognising the culture of this particular thread and letting it run its course? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3432 Posted December 9, 2013 I am a long time Leica to Sony adapter, and while 3rd party M mounts (ZM, VM, Minolta M, or screw mount to M variants) are one thing, I didn't post photos that I took with a Nikon lens on a Sony body in a Leica forum. If you adapted a Hassleblad lens to an S, or a 8mm fisheye Nikkor to an M, cool, talk about it all you want, just keep a Leica connection. That said, I personally refrain from posting images that weren't made with Leica glass or cameras in this Leica forum. Those are the rules of this place, rules that I didn't write. You can do what ever you like... Perhaps the whole thread should be moved to the Bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3433 Posted December 9, 2013 Perhaps the whole thread should be moved to the Bar. Alternatively, move oneself to a more accommodating, photography centric forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3434 Posted December 9, 2013 I see that Jaap has a tricky job on this one - and your forebearance is very much appreciated. However this is now an almost 200 page thread. Something to be said for recognising the culture of this particular thread and letting it run its course? But now that the camera is physically available, the results garnered from Leica R and M glass should be what's discussed in here, not Nikon or Olympus or Pentax, or whatever else you can clamp to the front of it. Once again, you can do whatever you like.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3435 Posted December 9, 2013 How about some photos!?! Here are images from a few lenses, some known to have "issues" with the A7r. Ran the 35mm and 21mm through Flat Field plugin for LR5. I'm very happy. Summicron 50mm (1975 rigid) Summilux 50mm ASPH - GASP! Not at f/1.4 but at f/5.6! (Even the thumbnails from this lens jump out at you) Summicron 35mm f/2 @ f/2 (ver IV) - who needs corners when you have f2? Voigtlander 21mm f/4 @ f/8 - Vertical Panorama - no issues with correcting the vignette. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3436 Posted December 9, 2013 Hi all, For those who are interested here are some links of photos A7, A7R with different lens including Leica that I summarized for me and I transmit them to you I post these first:, hoping that this can help you make your choice. I'll post more soon I've already placed my order Flickr: The Sony A7 and A7R with Leica, Zeiss, Voigtlander M-mount Pool Flickr: Ron Scheffler's Photostream my first result with A7r - Dyxum - Page 1 Sony A7R Review: Initial Test - Gallery Sony A7 Review: First Shots - Gallery SONY A7R With Rangefinder Lenses - a set on Flickr SONY A7 With Rangefinder Lenses - a set on Flickr Sony A7 | micmojo scrapbook Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3437 Posted December 9, 2013 Anyone else having problems with handholding shutter speeds ? Took a whole load of pics with my 50/2.8 collapsible yesterday at 1/60....... Hardly any are in focus due to shake ... or similar...... With an M body I can manage 1/30 with no issues and often less if I am careful. Is it the shutter rattling the pixels ??? I have a few friends who were very quick to order the A7R and have now received them. They were eager to use the camera with their M Leica lenses. Across the board, they are expressing disappointment--one is even on the verge of sending his back--in large measure due to the amount of vibration from the shutter. Part of the problem is that with a 36 MP sensor, any amount of vibration is going to be highly evident. All are experiencing a large proportion of unsharp images when hand holding. The other issue they're experiencing, which I know has been addressed here and elsewhere, is pixel smearing at the edges, particularly in the corners, of images when using M wides from 35mm on down. The Sony 35mm f/2.8 is producing good images that are sharp corner to corner. After being initially ready to jump in, I'm definitely putting this purchase on hold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3438 Posted December 9, 2013 But now that the camera is physically available, the results garnered from Leica R and M glass should be what's discussed in here, not Nikon or Olympus or Pentax, or whatever else you can clamp to the front of it. Once again, you can do whatever you like.... Well I think that Jaap's soft-touch moderation is perfectly positioned to keep discussions on course, keep the forum relevant to its theme and to maintain the sense of community. I think that your style of challenge contributes nothing to the thread and is calculated merely to put moderators on the spot and to wreck the good feeling of the exchange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3439 Posted December 9, 2013 Hi Brent, That reaction is understandable, but I think some reactions to this camera are a little extreme. After three weeks or so, I have learned three things about using the A7R with Leica glass: (1) You need to be careful about what lenses you use - not because there is anything inherently wrong with the camera or the sensor, but because Leica is the only camera maker which makes cameras built to deal with all (or almost all) Leica M mount lenses in their back catalogue. It would be wrong to say that the A7R has problems with Leica wides. The WATE and the 21 Summilux work well, the 28 Summicron is okay (not great, but okay) and the 35 Summilux FLE seems fine. All my longer lenses are great with the camera. (2) Focussing is critical, and the focus peaking is not as accurate as a properly calibrated rangefinder. However, if you are using wider apertures, all you need to do is either focus bracket or focus wide and stop down. It just needs care. (3) Shutter blur is a problem with any sensor of this resolution - we had the same discussions here when the D800E came out. You need to get into the habit of using a faster shutter than you might be used to with the M9, or a tripod. I instinctively avoid using 1/8000 as my experience with mirror slap with my F5 has put me off - that's probably less of a problem with the A7R. So, my view is that half the problems people are complaining about are inherent in a 36 MP sensor in this format. I go through the same considerations with my D800E (though focusing is less of a problem with that - I still use a tripod more often than I do with my Leicas). Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 9, 2013 Share #3440 Posted December 9, 2013 Nice snaps of my home city by a foreigner PM me if you want to catch up if we can arrange it. Hi Mark, Was in and out reasonably quickly for a conference. Would like to catch up - perhaps next time. Cheers John PS - this one was easier to focus Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2483894'>More sharing options...
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