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That is the main reason I have not placed an order for an A7r. I can wait and see if C1 gets tethered support for this camera or I can see if the hotfolder method will be acceptable to me.

 

There is one other minor issue for my workflow to make sure I can work with... The A7 remote release plugs into the USB port so it can't be used while tethering. I'd have to always fire the camera from the computer when shooting tethered, or press on the camera's shutter release to fire it. There may be a way around it because it can also plug into an adapter via a special electronic connector in the hotshoe... where my flash radio trigger goes. This adapter might be made to work somehow. Or perhaps they'll make some other adapters.

 

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For the M it seems you have to spend $900 for the grip in order to attach a USB cord and get another flash socket. That and the Oly EVF is about 2/3rds of the price of an A7.

 

Alan

 

Is there a chance that the a7r vertical base unit has another USB port for your needs?

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That is the main reason I have not placed an order for an A7r. I can wait and see if C1 gets tethered support for this camera or I can see if the hotfolder method will be acceptable to me.

 

There is one other minor issue for my workflow to make sure I can work with... The A7 remote release plugs into the USB port so it can't be used while tethering. I'd have to always fire the camera from the computer when shooting tethered, or press on the camera's shutter release to fire it. There may be a way around it because it can also plug into an adapter via a special electronic connector in the hotshoe... where my flash radio trigger goes. This adapter might be made to work somehow. Or perhaps they'll make some other adapters.

 

Off Camera Shoe - Alpha DSLR Accessories Sony Store - Sony US

 

For the M it seems you have to spend $900 for the grip in order to attach a USB cord and get another flash socket. That and the Oly EVF is about 2/3rds of the price of an A7.

 

Alan,

 

I am not sure, but maybe the Sony Wireless Commander will work for you?

 

Sony Wireless Remote Commander RMTDSLR2 B&H Photo Video

 

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Thanks I know about that too. I think the Sony wireless commander uses the IR port on the front of the camera. I am usually behind the camera and don't know if it will trigger it. But it may work and that would be an easy solution. I generally don't want more battery dependent devices than I already use on a shoot. I am sure it will be no big deal to trigger the camera. I have several options if I can't use a wired remote or that IR one...

 

Fire from the computer... assuming Sony software has this feature.

Use a 2 second timer from the camera.

Wire up an IR remote "light" to trigger the camera. I have one of these already for triggering the Nex camera via radio control from a copter. It just needs a battery and a button and I'd tape the light (IR emitter) in front of the camera sensor.

 

I doubt I'll buy this camera before a few months from now at the earliest.

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Thanks I know about that too. I think the Sony wireless commander uses the IR port on the front of the camera. I am usually behind the camera and don't know if it will trigger it. But it may work and that would be an easy solution. I generally don't want more battery dependent devices than I already use on a shoot. I am sure it will be no big deal to trigger the camera. I have several options if I can't use a wired remote or that IR one...

 

Fire from the computer... assuming Sony software has this feature.

Use a 2 second timer from the camera.

Wire up an IR remote "light" to trigger the camera. I have one of these already for triggering the Nex camera via radio control from a copter. It just needs a battery and a button and I'd tape the light (IR emitter) in front of the camera sensor.

 

I doubt I'll buy this camera before a few months from now at the earliest.

 

Alan,

 

If it would not reflect and be picked up by the camera on the digital media, you could probably place a mirror that would bounce the IR signal to the camera sensor if it would not fire the shutter from behind the camera.

 

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Alan,

 

Some tether talk on Frank's site;

Sony A7r part I | Frank Doorhof

 

Thanks. It looks like Sony understands the need, so I'll have to see. It took C1 a while to support Nikon cameras tethered but maybe they'll see the potential for the Sony and support it sooner.. if a lot of Sonys are in use. I think some of this is also dependent on Sony getting a software development kit (SDK) out to Phase One for C1 and to Adobe for Lightroom. After ten years of shooting tethered I really appreciate the efficiency of a convenient rock solid system that I am completely familiar with. I can't see the A7r replacing the Canon in that workflow until I see how it will do.

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Maybe the shutter on the A7® can be triggered via wifi and mobile phone assuming the integration isn't flaky as seems to be the case more often than not. But if it works, than triggering the shutter wouldn't take up any additional ports.

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Maybe the shutter on the A7® can be triggered via wifi and mobile phone assuming the integration isn't flaky as seems to be the case more often than not. But if it works, than triggering the shutter wouldn't take up any additional ports.

 

Very good point. That just might be your answer, Alan.

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Maybe the shutter on the A7® can be triggered via wifi and mobile phone assuming the integration isn't flaky as seems to be the case more often than not. But if it works, than triggering the shutter wouldn't take up any additional ports.

 

The Nex 6 can be tethered remotely via wifi and a mobile device. I believe I have read that the same Sony apps will be available on the A7/A7R.

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I probably made too big a issue of triggering the camera. It will be easier to do it from the laptop than via a cell phone. Especially working all day. It's just my preference is a simple wired remote cord... as I've worked for years. I know I have other choices and this is certainly not a deal breaker.

 

Tethering is the only significant unknown issue that I care about. However, since my clients have never complained about image quality, I'm not sure why I keep "upgrading."

 

To bring this back to Leica somehow... I know the A7 is nothing like a traditional Leica. But Leica has remained fairly traditional in some ways yet the M incorporated some of these A7 concepts about a year ago. I don't think Leica had the technology to push this as far as Sony did but I think they had the desire to make a camera with similar capabilities. Of course they would like to have had a higher res EVF and faster live view shooting and will improve this when they can. It is one thing to look at a Leica as an emotional purchase or even an investment that gives satisfaction of ownership and it's another thing to look at any camera as simply a tool to get a job done. I used to love owning all kinds of fine expensive cameras but now just go for whatever I think will work and I am very surprised I do almost all of my work with only a single 35mm system. I don't need very many cameras now, and I long ago sold most that I owned. (Film cameras.) I kept following Leica because I used to use them, but I think that was me at one point in life and specific cameras don't matter to me much now. I can understand why they matter to others.

 

Peculiarly after reaching a point in life where I can afford more luxury items, I am less interested in owning them now. You'd think I'd be using an Alpa and IQ280 back and maybe a Leica M. But I like the convenience of shooting architecture on 35mm now. Call me lazy ;) but it is all my clients need too. There have been a few times this year that I almost bought an M3 and 50mm collapsible Summicron to shoot Tri-X and "get back to my roots." Then I realized that was based on a romantic notion and I didn't have anything I needed to express that way anyhow. Nor do I have a desire to shoot with an 8x10 again either.

 

On a critical level, I do see the A7 as very intriguing technology in a small package to fit a range of roles that no other camera can quite match. And I think many others see it this way too. So I am very attracted to it even though I don't really need it.

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You may wish to have a look at the WA thread for Fredmiranda.com from about here down regarding particularly the Leica C 40mm f2 lens (and expected for the Minolta 40mm f2 M-Rokkor lens) on the Sony A7r:

 

A7/A7r - performance with WA RF lenses - FM Forums

 

Maybe someone can comment regarding the performance on the M240 with this lens as well as regarding the performance in the extreme corners.

 

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Let's hope Sony manage to sell a few cameras..........BBC News - Sony slashes full-year profit forecast by 40%

 

I don't have a link, but I read that most major camera manufacturers have also 'downjusted' their forecasts. It's going to take innovation not small evolution to come out on top. Just what Sony is doing. The 'everyone wants a DSLR' bubble has been burst by m4/3 cameras, which in turn may be burst by FF Mirrorless...

 

Fascinating times.

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A7R scored a (highest?) 95 on DXOMark.

 

Sony A7R sensor performance - DxOMark

 

Which, if I remember correctly is either a bullshit judgement if you're an M9 owner, or a solid endorsement of CMOSIS if you're an M240 owner. Pick one.

 

I wish I understood how DXO's measurements apply to my shooting. I assume DXO has a standardized testing methods so the results within the test parameters have comparative value. I just dunno what the results mean as far as shooting is concerned. To mean they are abstract with little use to me, and the knowledge that some sensors perform better than others and the results are carefully quantified.

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