gotium Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1581 Posted October 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Am I the only one who thinks that the 100% view of the first file looks like a cellphone photo uprezzed to 7300 pixels? No, you are not the only one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Hi gotium, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Thomas Chen Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1582 Posted October 26, 2013 Per Steve Huff's instruction, I clicked the pitctures over internet to get larger ones and downloded them into JPEG files. Then browse the JPEG files on a Sony 16.4" NB and a Dell 27" monitor, not so bad (without any vigenetting) considering the context when pictures were taken. Anticipate a real test for WATE lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1583 Posted October 26, 2013 Nice !I really hope there is a setting to switch off UI overlays on HDMI out to get clean recordable video. I just found a news that SONY recently has brought out a "VAIO Tap 21 Portable Desktop" computer that features a Full HD 1920x1080 "Triliminos dispaly" at $999 in the USA market. With A7/A7R's "Triluminos Color" capability via either HDMI or Wi-Fi, one seems be able to browse the photo in a wide-gamut color space (see the attachment) Wide-gamut covers 77.6% of Lab color space (human's percivable gamut), while adobe RGB covers 52.1% and sRGB covers 35.9% of that. If it is true then we can enrich our photoggraphy experience at least by enjoying the wide gamut photo and video color rendering via this Full HD 21" "Triliminos dispaly" at $999 before accquring a 55" Ultra HD 4K2K "Triliminos dispaly" at $ 3,999. Penny buy your thoughts. SONY Trilluminous color.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1584 Posted October 26, 2013 Just checked the Sony site again re a7r only It says that eye AF is a specification of the a7r. Sure hope that is correct. Yes I see that too. They showed me how to turn on the eye tracking on the A7 but it was hard for me to understand how to lock it on an eye. I was going to do the same on the A7r but the Sony guy helping me said it didn't work on that model so I didn't try to do it. The AF system has various modes and is pretty complicated. For instance it can lock onto an object and track it where it scales a box around it that changes size and shape as it moves across the frame. I've never seen anything like it and could have used spending about an hour just testing the AF modes out. The lock mode can be on or off. Then it has face detect and facial recognition and preference. It has single shot or continuous AF. Eye tracking. I think it has a smile shutter. Ways to size the AF zones and more. Eye detect required some of the other AF attributes to be set a certain way then you would push the button in the center of the rear wheel to select the eye to track. But this also could be programed to lock directly from the shutter release... I think. Many of the buttons and features are customizable. Just too much to take in at that time and setting despite looking at it three times. Here is what Sony says about eye AF on the A7r site, "...Eye AF can be used when the function is assigned to a customizable button, allowing users to instantly activate it depending on the scene." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1585 Posted October 26, 2013 Alan, please find the product guide manual for A7/A7R at the link https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg7oir3oc0ow59g/Product%20Guide%20Manual_A7_a7r.pdf You may know more about AF in this machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1586 Posted October 26, 2013 Alan, please find the product guide manual for A7/A7R at the link https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg7oir3oc0ow59g/Product%20Guide%20Manual_A7_a7r.pdf You may know more about AF in this machine. Yes I have that manual in printed form and started reading about the AF. It was hard to learn about it and try out the various settings while handling the camera at the show. Everything seems to point to the Eye AF working on both cameras so I can't understand why the one Sony guy (whose name I don't have) was so insistent that it wasn't available on the A7r. It seems that there is a very fast processor handling all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1587 Posted October 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well...it's on the radar now thanks to you. May well consider it when it's time to consider an upgrade. I just found a news that SONY recently has brought out a "VAIO Tap 21 Portable Desktop" computer that features a Full HD 1920x1080 "Triliminos dispaly" at $999 in the USA market. With A7/A7R's "Triluminos Color" capability via either HDMI or Wi-Fi, one seems be able to browse the photo in a wide-gamut color space (see the attachment) Wide-gamut covers 77.6% of Lab color space (human's percivable gamut), while adobe RGB covers 52.1% and sRGB covers 35.9% of that. If it is true then we can enrich our photoggraphy experience at least by enjoying the wide gamut photo and video color rendering via this Full HD 21" "Triliminos dispaly" at $999 before accquring a 55" Ultra HD 4K2K "Triliminos dispaly" at $ 3,999. Penny buy your thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1588 Posted October 26, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks that the 100% view of the first file looks like a cellphone photo uprezzed to 7300 pixels? Sure, it's a blurred handheld indoor snap, but the image and color detail (e.g. in the center) looks blotchy way beyond what I'm used to from the current generation of Canikons at high ISO. Pretty horrible. The most central area looks clear the rest is a mess. Like I've said, we are going to have to wait and figure this out in our own non-biased way. I can be critical because, I don't have a link to buy the camera on B&H Photo to think about. I'm still thinking anything wide is going to be a smeary mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper67 Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1589 Posted October 26, 2013 Has anyone with hands on usage tested the AF speed on these two cameras and has he noticed any noticeable differences...or do u think the phase detection on the a7 is more for tracking purposes/video etc...I have an a7 on preorder only because of the AF speed factor (not interested in any tracking/eye focus etc) and would like to know if its worth keeping or changing it to the r model....any input much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1590 Posted October 26, 2013 Has anyone with hands on usage tested the AF speed on these two cameras and has he noticed any noticeable differences...or do u think the phase detection on the a7 is more for tracking purposes/video etc...I have an a7 on preorder only because of the AF speed factor (not interested in any tracking/eye focus etc) and would like to know if its worth keeping or changing it to the r model....any input much appreciated I tried to see a speed difference between the two models and couldn't tell just by pointing the cameras at subjects at different distances in non-tracking mode. I am not sure how AF is generally tested and measured. My feeling was the AF in the A7r using the 35 and 55 was fast enough for me. I couldn't try the zoom or other lenses on that body. Several people asked the Sony reps if they had hard numbers on the AF speed difference or capabilities and nobody could really say. My Canon 5DIII has very fast AF and I can't say that the A7r felt slower to me. But maybe if I compared them side by side or tried more lenses, I'd see it. Perhaps lower light would be a factor although the Javits Center is not that bright. I am not sure this helps you much and hopefully someone will compare the two more objectively. Personally, I'd go with the A7r. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1591 Posted October 26, 2013 Apologies if this has been shared before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1592 Posted October 26, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks that the 100% view of the first file looks like a cellphone photo uprezzed to 7300 pixels? Sure, it's a blurred handheld indoor snap, but the image and color detail (e.g. in the center) looks blotchy way beyond what I'm used to from the current generation of Canikons at high ISO. My first impression was of being thankful not to be amongst those nerdy photo geeks who need to pick up cameras and fondle them, but I guessed I wasn't supposed to look at the content, just the 'quality'. As I delved deeper I saw the image was made with a 12mm Voigtlander lens, I crossed referenced this information with how the picture looks, its ISO etc. and thought 'all in all, in such an extreme test, the result isn't too bad for a first effort'. It is entirely churlish on the one hand to acknowledge it is a "blurred handheld indoor snap" and them talk studiously about 'image quality'. The 12mm Voigtlander alone isn't exactly a star optic, but combined with everything else it points to a) it works, no vignetting that can't be solved, and c) if it works like that at the very extreme end of the RF lens catalogue then things look a lot rosier for 'normal' wide angle lenses than previously expected. What would a similar image look like made with an M and 12mm at 5000 ISO for instance? Take the point of what Steve Huff is showing, don't try to make something else out of it, even he acknowledges they were difficult hand held shots and not even focused properly. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper67 Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1593 Posted October 26, 2013 Does anyone know if the AF is much slower on the RX1 than any of the two a7s? thx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1594 Posted October 26, 2013 I was going to respond vigorously but then saw others had done their job for me I do see you have never used a RX1® then - its pretty emotional I see some photogrpahers are quite emotional even if they put technical first What have you done to this image : looks over porcerssed over sharpened ... something a technical person would do Where is the subtetly of emotiveness in the processing. Furthermore do you know this couple. If you don't know this couple did you ask them permission for taking this photo or did you show them the photo afterwards to chek they were ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1595 Posted October 26, 2013 I think it is clear that this camera isn't going to work for those that want to use WA M mount lenses. So, it may not be a "one system choice" until Ziess makes WA MF lenses for it in future. Being a "The Glass is half full" sort of guy ... what I am geeked about is the prospect of using any fast 50 M lens on a 36 meg high ISO camera since that's my most used M focal length followed by the 75/2AA. If the 35/1.4ASPH also works, then the glass is 3/4 full. For $2,200 ... "What, me worry?" I'll top off the glass with my ZA24/2 in the meantime. In addition, I see using this as a back-up to my A99. However, I would REALLY like to see a Sony TTL flash that is more compact than the 58, so I can use it for mobile wedding, portrait and event work. Maybe Phottix will make one if Sony doesn't? - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1596 Posted October 26, 2013 Furthermore do you know this couple. If you don't know this couple did you ask them permission for taking this photo or did you show them the photo afterwards to chek they were ok. Why would he ask their permission? It appears to be a public location. Why would they even care? They are not recognizable. Wouldn't it be most disruptive to interrupt them by putting a camera LCD in their face and asking " Hey, are you ok with these pictures of the side of your head that I took"? Why would these questions even be relevant to this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1597 Posted October 26, 2013 Wouldn't it be most disruptive to interrupt them by putting a camera LCD in their face and asking " Hey, are you ok with these pictures of the side of your head that I took"? Or asking them to do it again because you have just checked your histogram and the image was slightly under-exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1598 Posted October 26, 2013 Right now I already sold my m240, just right before the sony a7 was announced. Seems I made the right decision because a few people that I know are considering selling theirs as well. However I already re-purchased an m9 so I will wait and see if I like the A7 in the metal. I tend to avoid buying Sony's "1st generation" products as they tend get updated really soon (the Rx1 for example). So lets wait and see.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1599 Posted October 26, 2013 Right now I already sold my m240, just right before the sony a7 was announced. Seems I made the right decision because a few people that I know are considering selling theirs as well. However I already re-purchased an m9 so I will wait and see if I like the A7 in the metal. I tend to avoid buying Sony's "1st generation" products as they tend get updated really soon (the Rx1 for example). So lets wait and see.. Why is it the right decision because some other people are also selling their M240s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 26, 2013 Share #1600 Posted October 26, 2013 Why is it the right decision because some other people are also selling their M240s? Yeah... It might also be the wrong decision because some other people are selling their M9s and buying the M240. It's so hard to know what to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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