Paolo.Battista Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1481 Posted October 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I suppose that the A7r should tempt more the owners of R lenses than M lenses (as well as owners of Contax and/or Olympus OM lenses or any other type of old SLR lens). The vast majority of M lens users normally wants to shoot with a rangefinder camera, which clearly the A7r isn't. And a used M9 is only marginally more expensive than the A7r, so even new M lens shooters should be more tempted by a proven rangefinder solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Hi Paolo.Battista, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Stealth3kpl Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1482 Posted October 24, 2013 Apparently they are not sharpenedThere are certainly no artefacts. It looks like pure detail to me Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk - now Free He says he used only in-camera sharpening of +1. I don't see artefacts but I'm no expert, and these are small images. They look impressively detailed to me. I agree, too sharp for a flattering portrait. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1483 Posted October 24, 2013 I suppose that the A7r should tempt more the owners of R lenses than M lenses (as well as owners of Contax and/or Olympus OM lenses or any other type of old SLR lens).The vast majority of M lens users normally wants to shoot with a rangefinder camera, which clearly the A7r isn't. And a used M9 is only marginally more expensive than the A7r, so even new M lens shooters should be more tempted by a proven rangefinder solution. Aside from Elmarit 135, R lenses are significantly bulkier than their M counterparts though. Would be fun to carry an A7R with small Summicrons like 35/2 asph and 75/2 asph in a tiny case like the Leica Combi 14825... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1484 Posted October 24, 2013 Apparently they are not sharpenedThere are certainly no artefacts. It looks like pure detail to me... If those pics are not over sharpened there is a problem with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1485 Posted October 24, 2013 Here are some pictures from the A7R and that non-spectacular Zeiss 35/2.8. Also, there is an example of the A 70-200 f2.8 my first result with A7r - Dyxum forums - Page 1 Wow, this looks interesting and promising. Unsure why Sony feels the need for so much sharpening on the jpgs. Perhaps the photographer didn't use Bicubic smoothing when resizing the pics. I'm keen to see the RAW files without sharpening, I have a feeling they are going to look superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1486 Posted October 24, 2013 Apparently they are not sharpenedThere are certainly no artefacts. It looks like pure detail to me Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk - now Free Detail, yes. Just a quick look but I can't see much in the way of artefacts, a little, perhaps. But they are very, unnaturally, over sharpened. It's quite extreme and ugly really. EDIT - there are some artefacts there which is not surprising given the level of sharpening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1487 Posted October 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just for my education, can you show me where you notice artefacts? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1488 Posted October 24, 2013 Wow, this looks interesting and promising. Unsure why Sony feels the need for so much sharpening on the jpgs. Perhaps the photographer didn't use Bicubic smoothing when resizing the pics. I'm keen to see the RAW files without sharpening, I have a feeling they are going to look superb. To find some RAW files and download the SONY "image data converter ver. 4" to open the RAWs: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/page/4/ in the page of "A7/A7r Raw files shot with new Zeiss FE lenses" , October 19, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1489 Posted October 24, 2013 Aside from Elmarit 135, R lenses are significantly bulkier than their M counterparts though. Would be fun to carry an A7R with small Summicrons like 35/2 asph and 75/2 asph in a tiny case like the Leica Combi 14825... Are you talking yourself into getting one perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1490 Posted October 24, 2013 ... artefacts?Pete As an example, this portion of the first portrait looks rather artificial, sterile and drawing-like for my eyes, with random, digital structures on the skin (upper, right corner) and on/near the cheek hairs. The ear has also a plastic appearance. So I agree, the jpgs have gone through too strong sharpening for my taste. [hopefully its not too criminal to post a portion of one of the photos being discussed...]. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2449407'>More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1491 Posted October 24, 2013 Just for my education, can you show me where you notice artefacts?... Hard to find them they're hidden in the hair of the Beard Beauty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1492 Posted October 24, 2013 Are you talking yourself into getting one perhaps? If it works fine with 28 or even 35 to 90mm M lenses yes why not. Won't be the digital CL of my dreams but a small beast like that is tempting indeed provided its shutter noise is not too loud though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1493 Posted October 24, 2013 Here are some pictures from the A7R and that non-spectacular Zeiss 35/2.8. Also, there is an example of the A 70-200 f2.8 my first result with A7r - Dyxum forums - Page 1 Well, it warrants a try based on what I see here. Too sharp-get real! One can always soften up portraits, but imagine landscapes. Sure hope R lenses work and possibly M. Then I know what I will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1494 Posted October 24, 2013 Hard to find them they're hidden in the hair of the Beard Beauty :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1495 Posted October 24, 2013 As an example, this portion of the first portrait looks rather artificial, sterile and drawing-like for my eyes, with random, digital structures on the skin (upper, right corner) and on/near the cheek hairs. The ear has also a plastic appearance. So I agree, the jpgs have gone through too strong sharpening for my taste. [hopefully its not too criminal to post a portion of one of the photos being discussed...]. I see. I thought she was just wearing too much makeup. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1496 Posted October 24, 2013 As an example, this portion of the first portrait looks rather artificial, sterile and drawing-like for my eyes, with random, digital structures on the skin (upper, right corner) and on/near the cheek hairs. The ear has also a plastic appearance. So I agree, the jpgs have gone through too strong sharpening for my taste. [hopefully its not too criminal to post a portion of one of the photos being discussed...]. I just see her skin to be honest It looks very summilux ASPHish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1497 Posted October 24, 2013 Time to update your monitor perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1498 Posted October 24, 2013 Time to update your monitor perhaps? I have a Dell U2713H (colour matched) which was an upgrade I purchased to replace my 27" Apple - a great monitor but not awesome like the Dell. Perhaps the sharpening+1 in camera is perturbing you. I can assure you that adding sharping in an M9 and M240 makes a bigger mess from what I have seen. This is extremely well controlled for in camera sharpening. Its all nit picking, the results are superb If we had gone on early M240 pictures then no one would have bought that camera! Lets wait for Sean and others to give us the low down. Alternatively I might get one in my own hands to do my own testing. Who knows what'll happen first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1499 Posted October 24, 2013 Voigtlander is releasing a newNEX to M adapter that allows for closer focusing than natively possible by M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1500 Posted October 24, 2013 Sorry but those pics are among the worst examples of over sharpening i've ever seen out of sans AA filter cameras so far. I assume that the JPG format and the +1 sharpening are the culprits but my interest for the little Sonys would stop immediately if what we see here were representative of their normal IQ in any way. YMMV. I have a Dell U2713H (colour matched) which was an upgrade I purchased to replace my 27" Apple - a great monitor but not awesome like the Dell. Perhaps the sharpening+1 in camera is perturbing you. I can assure you that adding sharping in an M9 and M240 makes a bigger mess from what I have seen. This is extremely well controlled for in camera sharpening. Its all nit picking, the results are superb If we had gone on early M240 pictures then no one would have bought that camera! Lets wait for Sean and others to give us the low down. Alternatively I might get one in my own hands to do my own testing. Who knows what'll happen first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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