MarkP Posted October 16, 2013 Share #541 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Exactly! Leica, Panasonic, why not? But it depends on whether information transfer is a one or two way street here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Hi MarkP, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #542 Posted October 16, 2013 Leica needs to team with an electronics company to get their M camera up to par technically IMHO.Or Sony might eat their lunch. Problem is, even with such inferior electronics, Leica plus Leica lenses edge out Sony's image. If, you want a body to mount your investment of Leica lenses, khawinkler, you are going to have to break down and buy the M240. Sony Nex and even this new camera are not going to be geared by Sony to make Leica Optical fabulously wealthy and successful. Leica lenses always have, and I am pretty sure, always will look better on Leica bodies designed to optimize for Leica's own lenses. The mere fact that you have to use an adapter pees in the optical pool. Don't anyone sell your m240 yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #543 Posted October 16, 2013 But it depends on whether information transfer is a one or two way street here. Good question. Has to be two way. They could set up a jointly owned daughter company, similar to STI, to develop camera components, for example an state of the art image processor. Sony, Toshiba, and IBM (STI) did that in Austin, TX for the Cell microprocessor for the PlayStation 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #544 Posted October 16, 2013 Problem is, even with such inferior electronics, Leica eats Sony's image lunch. If, you want a body to mount your investment of Leica lenses, khawinkler, you are going to have to break down and buy the M240. Sony Nex and even this new camera are not going to be geared by Sony to make Leica Optical fabulously wealthy and successful. Leica lenses always have, and I am pretty sure, always will look better on Leica bodies designed to optimize for Leica's own lenses. The mere fact that you have to use an adapter pees in the optical pool. Don't anyone sell your m240 yet. Rick, Thanks. The question really is how Leica can improve the electronics side of their camera. I would get an M in a heartbeat if Leica electronics were state of the art. To be used with my M and R lenses. Let's see how the Sony FF NEX cameras do with R lenses. I am still very happy with my M9 and M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #545 Posted October 16, 2013 Should be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #546 Posted October 16, 2013 Rick, Thanks. The question really is how Leica can improve the electronics side of their camera. I would get an M in a heartbeat if Leica electronics was state of the art. To be used with my M and R lenses. Let's see how the Sony FF NEX cameras do with R lenses. I am still very happy with my M9 and M lenses. Electronics, might be the question for you. I don't care about having the state of the art electronics. I care about image quality and the ability to be creative. If, Leica doesn't have the best looking menus or the fastest this or that, is really not what I care about. I know you test lenses and camera bodies and electronics from different cameras to use on your trove of Leica lenses, and that is cool. I like reading your findings, but in the final analysis I want image quality and a camera system that inspires me to be creative. I don't think this Sony is going to give the best image quality with Leica lenses. They have decided to go down the offset microlens path and that is going to have a bunch of image quality problems with your wide Leica lenses. Add that to the decrease in image at the edge of the sensor from the adaptor that are needed with the Sony and the edge problems are going to be difficult for Sony to tame with Leica lenses. Leica, on the other hand, is one generation into their shallow-well solution. Why not wait and see what Leica comes out with in their second generation FF CMOS. Sony may well jump ahead of Leica in their first generation FF interchangeable lens camera, but that is how the game is played. Right now, Leica has a better system for Leica M lenses. Even better at 35mm than the Sony RX1. Why do you think the Sony will be any better than the RX1. I am concerned that once a Sony RX1 type camera can mount an M lens, it may well be worse. I guess we will have to wait and see. Keep posting images and I actually hope you get a this Sony so i can see what it will look like with my Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #547 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rick, May be, just may be, you are barking up the wrong tree? Why would I have all this Leica gear if I weren't interested in top IQ as well? But there are also other aspects that matter to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #548 Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah, I know you are interested in image quality or you wouldn't post all of your tests... which, again, I enjoy reading. But, to base your choice on your belief on Leica not having state of the art electronics, I can't find resonance with that. Got to go and listen to the Sony announcement. Maybe, I'll change me mind in 30 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #549 Posted October 16, 2013 Sensor: low well design and offset micro lenses. Could be killer on 36MP sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 16, 2013 Share #550 Posted October 16, 2013 Sensor: low well design and offset micro lenses. Could be killer on 36MP sensor. I think we'll just have to wait to see, and how the Leica and Zeiss wide angle lenses perform. If it's that good I'd sell the M9 for it and keep the M and Monochrom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #551 Posted October 16, 2013 That live video... A7R looks pretty cool. Very nice camera. Especially the 36MP version with the magnesium mount. If, Sony (Zeiss) can make some killer primes it could be nice. M240: 24MP and the best system lenses at this point in time. Leica better keep innovating... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #552 Posted October 16, 2013 Sony Video... Vertical Grip: Leica are you watching this video? Could you please put a battery or two in the M240 Multi-functional grip? One of the multi functions could, maybe, be some more battery power? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2013 Share #553 Posted October 16, 2013 Ok, Steve... here is your LUF advertisement. Don't say we don't love you over here at the LUF: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/15/hands-on-1st-impressions-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/ Right after the Sony announcement, Steve posts his hands on review. Apparently, Steve has been keeping pretty quite about having handled the camera for a few minutes at his house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 16, 2013 Share #554 Posted October 16, 2013 It's appealing, and the price is good too. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #555 Posted October 16, 2013 I think we'll just have to wait to see, and how the Leica and Zeiss wide angle lenses perform.If it's that good I'd sell the M9 for it and keep the M and Monochrom Mark, Thanks. I know what my D800E sensor with 36 MP can do. In terms of Leitz lenses I have a number of older V and M lens heads that I have used with it. Even if Leica WA shouldn't be that great on the A7R, here is finally a 36 MP FF camera that I can adapt my M and R lenses to without having to leitax them. Let's wait for the reviews but I would be dumbfounded if the A7R wouldn't match or exceed the D800E sensor performance. And I can use all my Leica glass on the A7R. Not too bad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 16, 2013 Share #556 Posted October 16, 2013 I think we'll just have to wait to see, and how the Leica and Zeiss wide angle lenses perform.If it's that good I'd sell the M9 for it and keep the M and Monochrom You surprise me It seems to me that the A7 A7R is really a competitor for the M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 16, 2013 Share #557 Posted October 16, 2013 15 minute Hands-On field test review of the A7 / A7R from the TheCameraStoreTV: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 16, 2013 Share #558 Posted October 16, 2013 I notice that in the official launch video there was no reference to autofocus on either version of the camera. In the field test (above) the only reference was that the autofocus was not at all bad. I wonder if there is a problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted October 16, 2013 Share #559 Posted October 16, 2013 fwiw, all the full specs are on the Sony global site now: Sony Global - Sony Global - Digital Imaging - α7R While the pundits may have their hands on some launch samples, Sony still seems the logical place for the actual specs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 16, 2013 Share #560 Posted October 16, 2013 According to B&H First Look: Sony Introduces the a7 Full-Frame Mirrorless System | BH inDepth Dimensions of the bodies: 126.9 x 94.4 x 48.2mm "excluding protrusions". This does not exclude the EVF hopefully. If not, the dimensions are close to those of a Nikon D40. Superb for FF cameras. Dimensions of the 55/1.8: 70.5 x 64.4 mm vs 43 x 53 for the Summicron 50/2 and 53 x 54 for the Summilux 50/1.4 asph. A bit bulkier than the Summarit 90/2.5 (67 x 55). Thanks no thanks. Dimensions of the 35/2.8: 36.5 x 61.5 mm vs 34 x 51 for the Summarit 35/2.5 and 34 x 53 for the Summicron 35/2 asph. Interesting for 798 USD if it is as good as the ZM Biogon 35/2.8 ($860). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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