ChrisC Posted April 10, 2007 Share #121 Posted April 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mark - Those of us who had not been converted to the Red Dot religion, and harboured unshakeable irritation at some of the bonkers design decisions made by Leica for the M8 and WATE have just been done a disservice by you. You have now made it churlish to harbour grumpiness about the camera's design and cost, you've left us little to moan about! Just when the forum was getting boring with reports of how the M8 was functioning like a camera, instead of like an errant electronics box, your post has come roaring in like a Wagnerian screecher in heat. I blame that long, amazing thread started by David Adamson about making large M8 prints for getting me into M8 debt, and now your thread has stolen my non-believer status. What is a chap to do? Bravo Mark; a truly amazing piece of work by you. And well done Leica for being more 'delivery' than the 'show' I suspected. ...............My name is Chris, and I was a heretic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Hi ChrisC, Take a look here Anatomy of the Leica M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
arthury Posted April 10, 2007 Share #122 Posted April 10, 2007 Mark, While you were dissecting your M8, did you see any weather sealants at all? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas_thomsen Posted April 10, 2007 Share #123 Posted April 10, 2007 I am still speechless. leica should have published this kind of product pictures from the beginning to make people understand that the M8 isn't an ordinary camera. its a real masterpiece. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
osera Posted April 10, 2007 Share #124 Posted April 10, 2007 Excellent, Mark. Thanks for this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted April 10, 2007 Share #125 Posted April 10, 2007 Mark, my hat is off to you , absolutely fabulous and crazy, I love it David Adamson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted April 10, 2007 Share #126 Posted April 10, 2007 So this job certainly doesn't deserve a clean room for it ... rocket science. LOL Great work, Mark! This is unquestionably the simple biggest contribution to the chatboard to date, the moderators should give a sticky to this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sps Posted April 10, 2007 Share #127 Posted April 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there room to add sound proofing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted April 10, 2007 Share #128 Posted April 10, 2007 Since it is a standard Li-ion cell, I doubt much whether leaving the camera battery out for 4 days drains it-so our speculation that this can "reset" the camera is pretty much bogus? You have an opportunity here to actually measure the cell, so you will know if it actually drains. In the manual, it says that it takes 30 days to recharge no? Well, actually, if its is an MC621, that might support the 4 day drain theory - 3mAh is a very small battery - over 4 days, a drain of 30uA -quite possible for a clock and some CMOS storage - would exhaust it. Sandy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thpeters Posted April 10, 2007 Share #129 Posted April 10, 2007 Thank you Mark for showing us this incredible piece of the technique inside the M8 and the guts that you have to dismantled the camera, but for sure you get it working again. I hope Leica is not deleting this tread. My M8 came back yesterday and have done some shots it looks now ok, back focus problem is gone. Theo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share #130 Posted April 10, 2007 Yes, it's about 6.7mm diameter, 2mm thick; they do an even smaller one at 1.5mAh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausdlk Posted April 10, 2007 Share #131 Posted April 10, 2007 Of course! Can you eliminate that horrible clatter that the shutter makes when it is fired? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted April 10, 2007 Share #132 Posted April 10, 2007 So Mark, I'm curious, with your knowledge of Leica gear and electronics, are there any modifications/upgrades/tweaks that you will be adding to your reassembled M8? Certainly, it may offer you a blank canvas (albeit, a very cramped 3d canvas) to suit your imagination. Once you get it back together and functioning again, I somehow picture you disassembling it again to experiment. Kurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share #133 Posted April 10, 2007 Kurt, the camera is not really suited to be continually taken apart and put back together. At some point, one of the flex print connectors would fail which would really spoil your day. So, no, I'm not planning any modifications to the camera. Once it goes back together, it will hopefully stay that way! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leicawanabe Posted April 10, 2007 Share #134 Posted April 10, 2007 I wonder if the ar RoHS compliant and are using lead-free solder? If not, they may have a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted April 10, 2007 Share #135 Posted April 10, 2007 Well, actually, if its is an MC621, that might support the 4 day drain theory - 3mAh is a very small battery - over 4 days, a drain of 30uA -quite possible for a clock and some CMOS storage - would exhaust it. Sandy Remember that a stuck camera is probably still ON, at least in parts. I have had the experience of discharging the primary Li-Ion battery of my M8 overnight by leaving the camera switched on to single shot mode, with no activity visible at either LCD, simply because I forgot to set automatic shutoff back on to a value like 2 or 5 minutes after doing a battery rundown. So the backup battery may see some other drains if it is not completely isolated from those jobs. scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmr Posted April 10, 2007 Share #136 Posted April 10, 2007 Mark: This is just GREAT! "Shock and Awe". Thank you for providing the "InSight" Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolopix Posted April 10, 2007 Share #137 Posted April 10, 2007 There's space for a thicker filter but the problem is the impact it will have on image quality. I would love to see empirical evidence of a *significant* negative impact on image quality caused by a proper IR filter over the sensor. Since on-lens filters have their own impact, I would be interested to see a test demonstrating that one is better than the other. If Leica put weak IR filtration over the sensor on purpose, then they must have run the tests. I still have a nagging suspicion that they just goofed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted April 10, 2007 Share #138 Posted April 10, 2007 What a blast, Mark thanks for your article.....it has to be one off the best photo related threads I have ever seen. In my everyday work, I am working a digital camera project for aerospace applications, my Optics Engineer (a Canon DSLR owner) and I just went through your photo by photo analysis. Don't really think there are too many secrets there, but a very interesting report!! Great work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted April 10, 2007 Share #139 Posted April 10, 2007 rolopix, there have been some articles showing how the Epson R-D1 has much worse corner performance than the M8, even with a larger crop factor. This is attributed to its thicker filter. You can drop your nagging suspicion now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted April 10, 2007 Share #140 Posted April 10, 2007 rolopix, there have been some articles showing how the Epson R-D1 has much worse corner performance than the M8, even with a larger crop factor. This is attributed to its thicker filter. That's too funny, Carsten, was the author able to draw his conclusion through side by side test with a thinner and a thicker IR filters with the R-D1? Where did you read these articles? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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