farnz Posted February 22, 2014 Share #181 Posted February 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... What I am saying is that increasingly Leica cameras are bought by people who being very rich want to buy the most expensive and therefore "the best" digital camera that money can buy. When their own total lack of photographic knowledge becomes apparent and their new Leica performs no better in their hands than a £200 point and shoot special, they then blame the camera. ... Would you support having to pass a Photographic Proficiency Test before qualifying to buy a Leica, Paul? Do you get as steamed-up when lottery-winners or knuckle-dragging professional footballers buy Ferraris? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted February 22, 2014 Share #182 Posted February 22, 2014 This one for you Paul . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/209650-leica-m-240-what-is-going-on/?do=findComment&comment=2537261'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 22, 2014 Share #183 Posted February 22, 2014 Of course you are - NOT saying anything against that. What I am saying is that increasingly Leica cameras are bought by people who being very rich want to buy the most expensive and therefore "the best" digital camera that money can buy. When their own total lack of photographic knowledge becomes apparent and their new Leica performs no better in their hands than a £200 point and shoot special, they then blame the camera. The opposite point is of course that by selling to this market Leica are able to sell more cameras and remain viable, which is what we all want to see. It must be so frustrating though for Leica, the company who invented the first usable 35mm camera and have such a history in proper photography to have to answer ridiculous complaints about total non issues from owners who would frankly be far better buying a much cheaper auto everything camera. Thats my point and it's one that's needed to be said for a long time on this forum - and I'm sticking by it!! IME there are very many people buying all makes of cameras - not just Leica cameras - who do not have a clue how to use them and who have no idea how to look into a finder and assess their 'compositions' before pressing the shutter. They use their cameras in 'auto everything' modes. Leica has to cater for all levels of photographic abilities as do all other camera manufacturers. There will always be x% bought by people who assume that expensive / sophisticated cameras will produce brilliant photos. I will never understand why so many camera users of all brand persuasions fail to notice their finder images' sloping horizons. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 22, 2014 Share #184 Posted February 22, 2014 I kew a man who changed his Mercedes every year. He never changed his tires. Heck, I change the air in my tyers every season. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 22, 2014 Share #185 Posted February 22, 2014 This one for you Paul . Very funny photo, but tell me you've never brought the camera up to your eye only to find the lens cap is still on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted February 22, 2014 Share #186 Posted February 22, 2014 It must be so frustrating though for Leica, the company who invented the first usable 35mm camera and have such a history in proper photography to have to answer ridiculous complaints about total non issues from owners who would frankly be far better buying a much cheaper auto everything camera. Thats my point and it's one that's needed to be said for a long time on this forum - and I'm sticking by it!! It must be so frustrating for Leica that they continue to market to this audience via luxury boutiques selling expensive cameras along with over-priced, uber-expensive limited editions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 22, 2014 Share #187 Posted February 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very funny photo, but tell me you've never brought the camera up to your eye only to find the lens cap is still on. Yes i have of course but never with a reflex camera like the Digilux 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2014 Share #188 Posted February 22, 2014 Would you support having to pass a Photographic Proficiency Test before qualifying to buy a Leica, Paul? Do you get as steamed-up when lottery-winners or knuckle-dragging professional footballers buy Ferraris? Pete. I must admit that my new car (definitely non-Ferrari) came with a driving course included... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 22, 2014 Share #189 Posted February 22, 2014 I must admit that my new car (definitely non-Ferrari) came with a driving course included... … and Leica Mayfair offers free(?) courses for new Leica camera owners. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 23, 2014 Share #190 Posted February 23, 2014 Leica is -and as far as i can tell wants to be- a dentist's camera. If this wasn't a corporate orientation, at the very least it's how I've felt the few times I went to the official Leica boutiques in paris. On another Leica forum, a new member showed up a few years ago : the Leica salesman had sold him a summilux 21mm as the only lens to use with his M9p The salesman said it was the most versatile!! A lens that doesn't even have framelines in the viewfinder. What to think of a company that does that? Leica has changed since the sixties. It's under new management and new owners, we shouldn't be surprised. I'm just happy Leica is still around, and let's face it : we owe it to the dentists. I'm thankfull there are rich guys buying the cameras and and lenses I'll be shooting in two years when they sell it. I'm not sorry the president of Leica has to answer emails about dusty sensors,he got what he wished for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2014 Share #191 Posted February 23, 2014 From which we may conclude that you are a dentist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 23, 2014 Share #192 Posted February 23, 2014 I very well may be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 23, 2014 Share #193 Posted February 23, 2014 Leica is -and as far as i can tell wants to be- a dentist's camera. ... Oh, does it specialise in taking photographs of teeth? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 23, 2014 Share #194 Posted February 23, 2014 On another Leica forum, a new member showed up a few years ago : the Leica salesman had sold him a summilux 21mm as the only lens to use with his M9p The salesman said it was the most versatile!! A lens that doesn't even have framelines in the viewfinder. What to think of a company that does that? Better to ask what we think of mere hearsay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2014 Share #195 Posted February 23, 2014 I very well may be In that case you need to update your user profile. It appears to have been submitted before you graduated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted February 23, 2014 Share #196 Posted February 23, 2014 Leica is -and as far as i can tell wants to be- a dentist's camera. If this wasn't a corporate orientation, at the very least it's how I've felt the few times I went to the official Leica boutiques in paris. On another Leica forum, a new member showed up a few years ago : the Leica salesman had sold him a summilux 21mm as the only lens to use with his M9p The salesman said it was the most versatile!! A lens that doesn't even have framelines in the viewfinder. What to think of a company that does that? Leica has changed since the sixties. It's under new management and new owners, we shouldn't be surprised. I'm just happy Leica is still around, and let's face it : we owe it to the dentists. I'm thankfull there are rich guys buying the cameras and and lenses I'll be shooting in two years when they sell it. I'm not sorry the president of Leica has to answer emails about dusty sensors,he got what he wished for. You might say the same of doctors. But as a doctor, I disagree. I prefer to think of the Leica as an informed person's camera, or even the thinking person's camera. For those that know the value of engineering and optical excellence. That person's occupation is irrelevant, and I have known some relatively impecunious folks who have saved hard for a single Leica body and lens, and realised and enjoyed their dream. Those who buy them for effect, and just because they are pretty much the most expensive cameras and lenses out there, will be disappointed and their vanity will not be rewarded. Because few people know what they are, and will not swoon and coo. In a recent trip to a London, when we did some street shots, my boss's great big Nikon D800 with grip and pro zoom attracted all the (wrong) attention. My M and 35 Lux FLE passed under the radar. Just how I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 23, 2014 Share #197 Posted February 23, 2014 From which we may conclude that you are a dentist? Funny, but I'd rather a dentist shoot my wedding than a photographer fix my teeth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2014 Share #198 Posted February 23, 2014 When is the date? I’d be happy to… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 23, 2014 Share #199 Posted February 23, 2014 [...]Those who buy them for effect, and just because they are pretty much the most expensive cameras and lenses out there, will be disappointed and their vanity will not be rewarded. Even if he is as rich as Eric Clapton! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted February 23, 2014 Share #200 Posted February 23, 2014 Even if he is as rich as Eric Clapton! Yeah, but I think that Clapton is pretty cerebral and didn't buy his Leica just for effect, or even just because he is loaded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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